From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:51:42 +0300 Message-ID: <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242291259 4872 80.91.229.12 (14 May 2009 08:54:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: garyo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 14 10:54:11 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M4Whe-00048w-B3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 10:54:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50819 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M4Whd-00030H-Jg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:54:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M4Wg1-0002Lb-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:52:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M4Wfw-0002In-8j for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:52:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47207 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M4Wfv-0002Ie-W1 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:52:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mta-out.inet.fi ([195.156.147.13]:53023 helo=kirsi1.inet.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4Wfv-00071G-DR for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 04:52:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mithlond.arda.local (80.220.180.181) by kirsi1.inet.fi (8.5.014) id 49F6055A00AAB873; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:52:13 +0300 Original-Received: from dtw by mithlond.arda.local with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4WfG-0001Ht-Vt; Thu, 14 May 2009 11:51:42 +0300 In-Reply-To: <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> (garyo@genarts.com's message of "Wed\, 13 May 2009 17\:06\:33 -0700 \(PDT\)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110867 Archived-At: On 2009-05-13 17:06 (-0700), garyo wrote: > Good point, it's important to attract new users, but there are already > so many ways Emacs differs from any other editor that I'm not sure > it's worth breaking existing keyboard macros that have worked for > years [...] Hmm, does somebody really expect keyboard macros to work reliably over years? (Even if they may have worked in some cases.) Well, I have used Emacs less than year but I see macros more like temporary helpers. I'll have line-move-visual turned on from the day I upgrade to Emacs 23, regardless of the default. I think it's the normal behavior in text editors and pretty much in all text editing and thus it's sensible default. Long-timers with their years-old keyboard macros do know how to deal with Emacs configuration.