From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: message-mode is now default? Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:51:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87tz1av8ik.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <878wimdbzp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247896648 21371 80.91.229.12 (18 Jul 2009 05:57:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ams@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 18 07:57:20 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MS2v5-0001HR-UW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:57:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44989 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MS2v5-00010H-9O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MS2uz-0000ya-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MS2uv-0000wc-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45646 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MS2uv-0000wR-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com ([209.85.222.202]:61838) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MS2uq-00051p-07; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:57:00 -0400 Original-Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so880456pzk.14 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:56:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:references:user-agent:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=dNT1Bg0z1a/JavkGbFXSFesobor6kYG3MaNldEiEgtk=; b=XuVYN1xbQgBPrGzm4HxLO1ZDwk/3TB1TU3n0lFCDFDz7ZBWAA70+ufRowlhsXSKzkc 1HhFuYYuXFPGkrwsnQmU2rNF4c4EmwthUvLUVLd3nk0+TJqROEHsNTOlBdEkSdiWYF2e B19qYZTc8aWvcp+dr7Wr6k8PRLLwOnm0+FubM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:references:user-agent :message-id:mime-version:content-type; b=KIlIyzOO0fefyv/Emz3jWkNL5o9i5AOKnNnKe8Ty9CN+A2zDcTAW+9OKUB/ke66i5U L9KI3kcpP2UojusSqvPkcTRYzF7B8Ob9h/0aCYhGTvk59fRX2PsVSLMfZmSRAUH7YSvl PM3hswvRIamHZewBJP2TW+hDFmPuUcFxk6HNc= Original-Received: by 10.142.105.10 with SMTP id d10mr487011wfc.91.1247896617379; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ([222.29.50.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm9202351rvb.5.2009.07.17.22.56.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:56:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878wimdbzp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:19:06 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112660 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Richard Stallman writes: >> - message-mode does not use sendmail-function, causing once again >> breakage for anyone who wraps their mail around it. >> >> That would certainly break it for me. >> >> I think this change should be reverted. > > Any problems with message-mode should be fixed, of course, but it's > pretty clear that it's a better default. So why not making message-mode the default when those problems are fixed? Making message-mode the default is not a problem for people who already use it, it is a problem for people who are not using it. So making things smoother for these people is a good idea IMHO. -- Bastien