From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:54:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87tyu3u29i.fsf@gmail.com> References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <20100130132651.GB1428@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264859679 32303 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2010 13:54:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grischka , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 14:54:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbDmU-0006CR-Hp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:54:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbDmT-0005EC-Rl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:54:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NbDmM-0005Cc-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:54:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57525 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbDmM-0005Bl-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:54:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbDmK-0006on-1V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:54:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f228.google.com ([209.85.219.228]:62309) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbDmI-0006oD-3G; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:54:22 -0500 Original-Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so384272ewy.8 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:54:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=qH3mcDf3z/s7zaqVtTYorS3eJo95ntOcLzHIn/1vmFE=; b=hb/mw9OvJEIYr0Mh05Yc2dBKSz2eOQYS6LaD+PFfUWhllfu46t+/b9DHqzWC5TjbaV KeHxAq8leun8VgbbOnAC4JHGEmERoeOsDJ31KPPURfAfkoGnzHPNG5CcgVVmMSEhCqsf FkkgSQGRJuR0LqXqEMZYu5i6dWllQO5ktRT5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=s2PZeLQ42g4yTOx88PvyCIYbkFU9in1c10e5y64FuLeeU6wXN+/Fel4C50296v5Yd4 W1o5o8+Qe1xphxqpmYgMkafWG73n/u+GU/s38rtr5rU9HFO+y3xf7VNvK05x9yWoim4H Ad8Wf1LqceCqzP8tjTtxNDSrwftIFCMJNezdA= Original-Received: by 10.213.80.204 with SMTP id u12mr1895001ebk.95.1264859660601; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:54:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (vil35-2-82-227-204-220.fbx.proxad.net [82.227.204.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2142199ewy.12.2010.01.30.05.54.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:54:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100130132651.GB1428@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:26:51 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120699 Archived-At: Hello Alan, > Are you a native English speaker? "Ecosystem" is a system of ecology, > which is the study of how organisms react with eachother and their > shared environment. Implicit in ecology is its participants' > obliviousness to ecology. No, I am not a native English speaker, so I cared to read the definition I had at hand, as well as the wikipedia article before giving my point of view. I could not relate what I read there to what I read in the GNU words-to-avoid page. > There are other words which also imply interdependency yet which are > less laden with loaded meanings. "Ecosystem" implies its participants > (hackers etc.) are on the level of bugs, beetles and bacteria. It > denigrates hackers, suggesting they are simply swept along helplessly > by outrageous fortune, rather than being the agents of it. Some of > these other words would be better, much better, such as .... A free software ecosystem is composed of free software, isn't it ? Also, it is probably just cultural, but around me the word 'ecosystem' connotes very respected ideas, of equilibrium, sustainability, fairness. -- Paul