From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does gnu emacs have the equivalent of Xemacs mouse-track-insert Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:00:34 +1000 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com Message-ID: <87tyreyhjh.fsf@rapttech.com.au> References: <87pr39efou.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> <87sk8586ss.fsf@rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273006370 8487 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2010 20:52:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:52:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 22:52:49 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9P6i-0005J2-30 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 22:52:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48831 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9P6h-0004TM-13 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 16:52:43 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news.alt.net!news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DJCr9NXVCaLtriY3kJNF1iLNslw= Original-Lines: 78 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 116c0454.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=FUFlPCWd_Q:J0Z]=gbPP29L?0kYOcDh@:7kJDMPlS\H4_=I6aR7jI?6bN\@6f]DJI3Xk_mN=BlH13 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177695 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73156 Archived-At: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes: > In article <87sk8586ss.fsf@rapttech.com.au>, > Tim X wrote: > ... >>> >> >>Or just use system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts >> >>There are a number of 'default' gnome keyboard shortcuts I get rid of >>because they either interfere or use valuable mappings I like to use for >>emacs, such as alt-tab, some of the function keys and a few others. >>Using the GUI interface, its quite easy to replace any WM shortcuts you >>want to keep with some of the rarely used keys that are less likely to >>interfere with emacs, such as super/hyper (those 'extra' keys usually >>between Ctl and Alt, often with a windows logo etc). > > Please, in detail, what do you do to avoid getting screwed by > gnome (when using emacs). (Also, outside of emacs). > Um, not really sure exactly what your concern is. Once I remove/change the Gnome keybindings as described above, I don't have any problems with Gnome and emacs. In fact, I'd say none at all. In what specific way does Gnome screw with emacs apart from key binding conflicts, which are easily resolved. It should be noted that in reality, some of those keybindings that you can modify/remove with the System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts menu option are actually window manager keybindings and not Gnome keybindings. Keep in mind that Gnome is not a window manager. If you use a different window manager with Gnome, it may not have the same level of integration with Gnome that metacity (a common default wm), so you may have to modify some keybindings via whatever method that specific window manager supports. As metacity has good integration, you have easy access to modify its key bindings via the gnome interface. > I'm dreading having to go to gnome -- on Solaris 10 I'm > still managing to use the familiar (and nice) CDE. > Then maybe KDE would be a better alternative for you? > One of these days, Solaris 11 maybe, no CDE will be > available, so Sun/Oracle will force gnome down everyone's > throats (throat or throats?). > Possibly, but many other things are also possible. Who knows what Larry is going to do. I suspect his focus will be on the server side rather than the desktop side. He is no open source advocate - he will use it and promote it if it has potential to increase his bottom line, but there is definitely no strong open source commitment running through his vains. My guess will be that unless he can see real commercial benefits to continuing a commercial version of Solaris, he will just drop it and leave its development to be lead by the open Solaris community or they will focus on the server side and leave the desktop environment development tot he open source community. I don't see what the issue is with Gnome. In my experience, all of these differences are minor and most of it is just 'fluff'. I avoided Gnome for quite a while because it was too resource hungry and was still a bit immature. However, now we have much faster CPUs, cheap memory and cheap storage, all the resource issues are pretty much irrelevant. Gnome has also matured somewhat and provides a well integrated environment. Its not perfect, but it is as good as any other environment I've used. Given that your familiarity is with CDE, which I've not used since Sun OS 5.4/Solaris 4.6(?), I'd expect KDE might be an alternative that would be more comfortable for you. Its a long time since I used KDE, but it was the most similar to Sun's CDE of all the desktops I've used, with the possible exception of Red Hat's CDE implementation, which, at the time, I thought was a very nice environment despite the numerous, but mostly trivial, bugs. However, it failed to take off and was dropped pretty quickly. Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au