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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: substitute-key-definition vs. define-key MAP [remap ...]
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:25:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tynpvtvz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87aaphusuz.fsf@catnip.gol.com>

Miles Bader writes:
 > "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
 > >  > And it's _extremely_ handy for some uses... e.g., one of my favorite
 > >  > tricks is little minor-modes that bind [remap self-insert-command]...
 > >
 > > It's a handy hack, I'm sure.  I think there are better ways to achieve
 > > the same end, that's all.
 > 
 > For instance?  Solutions as adding hooks/functions for to allow
 > mode-specific semantics for standard commands
 > (e.g. `fill-paragraph-function') are better for those cases, I think,
 > but they have far higher cost (they must be added by the emacs
 > developer), and are not really so nice for minor modes -- IOW, it
 > doesn't really achieve the same thing.

Use of defun is not restricted to emacs developers (and you will often
need to use it with [remap] anyway).

For handy hacks, I really don't see what's so horrible about

(define-minor-mode caps-lock-mode
  "Only useful with a Happy Hacker keyboard."
  :lighter "CapsLock")
(defadvice self-insert-command (before caps-lock-mode activate)
  "Make self-insert-command respect caps-lock-mode."
  (when caps-lock-mode
    (set last-command-key (upcase last-command-key))))

and I certainly don't think that concealing a limited advice
capability in the keymap lookup process is any better than advice
itself.




  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-24 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-15  8:25 substitute-key-definition vs. define-key MAP [remap ...] Teemu Likonen
2010-07-22 22:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-23  3:50   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-23  9:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-23  9:32       ` Miles Bader
2010-07-24  7:08         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-24  8:19           ` David Kastrup
2010-07-24  9:33           ` Miles Bader
2010-07-24 14:25             ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-07-25  3:21               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-25 10:19                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-25 13:43                   ` Miles Bader
2010-07-23 10:03       ` David Kastrup
2010-07-24  6:27         ` Stephen J. Turnbull

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