From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:42:51 +0900 Message-ID: <87tylj3jh0.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org> <87r5gp5hqv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87bp7r51eo.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1285037003 13897 80.91.229.12 (21 Sep 2010 02:43:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:43:23 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 21 04:43:21 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxspE-0003Dj-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:43:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60478 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OxspD-0005KU-Pj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:43:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41436 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oxsp8-0005KM-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxsp6-000836-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:32845) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxsp6-00082z-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxsoy-0003Ap-Lv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:43:04 +0200 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:43:04 +0200 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:43:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:9GupEkQapkCtP8FemcPbKci9cQw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130558 Archived-At: Leo writes: > BTW, I think the "Newbie Argument" start to smell bad. It merely leads > to bad decisions. Sometimes I don't even know if people are talking > about the same kind of newbies. You can ignore the "newbie argument" if you want; I think a lot of what's being done in their name actually applies equally well to people that switch often between Emacs and other UIs, and generally to the goal of having Emacs exist harmoniously in today's environments. Maybe some people _only_ use Emacs, but I think many of us aren't so lucky... :) For instance, I find having shift-selection available in emacs very nice for those times when I happen to be flipping back-and-forth between Emacs and another text-editing interface. Of course, shift-select doesn't interfere with other features, and other less benign changes need to be approached more carefully. [I turn on "emacs bindings" modes whenever I can (e.g. GTK and Eclipse), but these are usually only very approximate emulations, and one still needs to use the native bindings for many operations.] -Miles -- Bigot, n. One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.