From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to improve the readability of (any) LISP or any highlevel functional language to the level of FORTH ? Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:32:23 +1100 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com Message-ID: <87tyhob5yw.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294184469 30283 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2011 23:41:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:41:09 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 05 00:41:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaGUu-00023s-B3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 00:41:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34580 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PaGUt-0003jf-IO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:40:59 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,gnu.emacs.help,comp.lang.functional User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AIfjp0WfpapKiIZzwvrS3mpEegU= Original-Lines: 42 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 19bafdb0.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=TSOc=3=; NRNo; ii5o?B_6AL?0kYOcDh@JN7:H2`MmAUCiV^?kWCCAkl5c@XgkNO5Y]^4i9SjL8[Q^Hf>jR1A Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu comp.lang.lisp:297269 gnu.emacs.help:183990 comp.lang.functional:69115 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:78193 Archived-At: Tim Bradshaw writes: > On 2011-01-04 08:02:35 +0000, Tim Harig said: > >> LISP users on the other hand, never seem to be able to let >> go of LISP when the situation requires it. > > I think this probably is not the case. It may be the case that the Lisp users > *you hear from* often have this view, but I don't think those people are > necessarily very representative of Lisp users as a whole. Of course I can't > really infer much about the ones you don't hear from other than in a sort of > dark-energy way - implementors are probably the only people who might have a > chance of knowing about them in any reliable way. > > For instance, I've been berated by the users you hear from for saying I write > (and like writing) Perl and (but not like very much) Java. I don't think that > makes me an atypical Lisp user, I just think it makes me one of the few who are > in the subset of Lisp users that you hear from and who will admit to using > other langages. > I would add that it is a mistake to judge a community of users based on a single forum. For example, many have complained about comp.lang.lisp and it is often viewed as being the lisp community. In reality, it is only a very small representation of lisp users from a single forum. There are many other lisp forums with varying levels of acceptance, hostility, dogma, experience, cynicism etc. Judging the lisp community by what goes on in c.l.l is like stopping at some remote town in the hills where everyone has the same nose and concluding it is a national trait. Personally, I enjoy c.l.l as I can easily recognise the threads to kill and those which are likely to have some interesting information. Sure, we may throw a few fists and end up rolling around in the pig shit from time to time and sometimes one of the cousins may drink a bit much 'shine and probably should'nt pull out the shotgun, but what can you do, its family. -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au