From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Bikeshedding "user choice" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:20:09 +0900 Message-ID: <87tyh67v9y.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87sjx7z7w4.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pqsbmf6j.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4ijz07h.fsf@telefonica.net> <2460D97DEA4047B3B9DF92C4A80981EF@us.oracle.com> <57BF13882D6E494286547F293FE9D03B@us.oracle.com> <87lj2pfo81.fsf@wanadoo.es> <3311B7BF884147FFB4ADD5FEB31F1F39@us.oracle.com> <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24! 9921783@us.oracle.com > <3BA19D85DE954C00B3CC7A7C8A0BD32C@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295321984 18220 80.91.229.12 (18 Jan 2011 03:39:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 18 04:39:40 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pf2Py-0004FQ-Ki for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 04:39:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59789 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pf2Dd-0004bE-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:26:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36007 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pf2DY-0004b9-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:26:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pf2DX-0004Ty-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:26:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:34867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pf2DX-0004Tf-Do for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:26:47 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36183FA0565; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:26:44 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03AB21A2FFA; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:20:10 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" ed3b274cc037 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134684 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > Do I really need to state why I prefer giving users more choice? No, you don't. Since whether or not to give users choice is a matter of design, it is a matter of taste. De gustibus non est disputandum. However, if you want to convince other people, you do. It is far from obvious that maximizing user choice is a good thing. In fact, the whole point of "automation" is to *free* the user of the need to make choices. Applied to the original thread, once the user has the capability of binding a key, then she has the choice to bind it to `ignore' or `unbound-event-error'. So, the question is about defaults. In general, if Emacs (core, library, or user) hasn't bound the key, fall back to OS if available seems like a good idea (POLA). The additional option to change the default fallback (yikes!) that you advocate is a YAGNI (yes, even *you* don't *need* it!)