From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: user-controlled load-path extension: load-dir Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:18:42 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87tyfcnon1.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87ei6mz24h.fsf@lifelogs.com> <20110306072147.GA11067@event-horizon.homenet> <871v2i525h.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oc5lx607.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o7ds37p.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4D7726E8.5090206@swipnet.se> <4D772988.4070209@gmail.com> <4D775002.8050100@swipnet.se> <874o7cjj8h.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1299694751 26501 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2011 18:19:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:19:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 19:19:07 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PxNyS-0000iK-Gl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:19:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37395 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PxNyR-0004dQ-VI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:19:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58890 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PxNyM-0004cC-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:18:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PxNyL-0005iW-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:18:58 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:50569) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PxNyK-0005hu-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:18:57 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PxNyI-0000bF-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:18:54 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:18:54 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:18:54 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110014 (No Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/Lp7F0rmTZmLPBkgr7X8qSnYBdU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136978 Archived-At: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:29:02 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: SJT> I can only imagine that a load-dir would very likely be the source SJT> of numerous bugs as some snippets conflict with or depend on others SJT> but the automatic loader gets them in the wrong order. We're just adding a mechanism for easy personal code deployment and modularization, not a cure for broken code. If there's a load order conflict the user will have to figure it out, just like putting loads in the wrong order in the .emacs file. SJT> Note also that .d directories generally use some convention (such as SJT> file names starting with fixed width integers) that ensure that SJT> snippets sort in the right order. I'm sure users can use that (I will). But they can also specify the order with explicit loads if that's what they need. SJT> More modern systems use (please sit down, you're in for a shock) SJT> full-blown dependency systems (requires, provides, conflicts, etc) SJT> in the snippets, which avoids the need to maintain explicit order SJT> in favor of a partial order. That's, again, overengineering the problem (as Mark Twain put it, "with all the modern inconveniences"). Ted