From: David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Compiled files without sources????
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:47:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tya2qg0x.fsf@engster.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877h6yp652.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Mon, 01 Aug 2011 05:06:01 +0900")
Stephen J. Turnbull writes:
> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes:
>
> > It was a minor boo-boo, and it's been fixed,
>
> It wasn't a "boo-boo", it was a deliberate omission for the
> convenience of the Emacs and CEDET developers who considered
> integration of CEDET functionality more important than the principle
> of software freedom.
Since you start with the finger pointing: This merge didn't happen
behind closed doors, but was openly discussed on this very list. It was
actually me who suggested the current setup, and it was in this thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/115053
The compromise was to let grammar development happen in CEDET
upstream. I did suggest this in good faith; in fact, it would have taken
almost no work at all to commit the plain grammar files to Emacs
trunk. But without Bovine and Wisent, the CEDET parser generators, those
grammar files are practically useless; contrary to what was written on
LWN/Slashdot/wherever, the grammars are not Bison compatible. To do any
actual work with them, you need to get CEDET, and then you will get all
the grammars anyway. *This* was the reason I suggested to not also
include the grammars in Emacs: I simply thought including them without
the proper parser generators would make no sense. I know now that they
are "The Source" and hence must be included; still, to say that I
suggested leaving them in CEDET upstream because I don't care about
software freedom is simply untrue.
-David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-07-31 21:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-10 5:34 Emacs 23.3 released Chong Yidong
2011-03-10 8:58 ` Bastien
2011-03-10 16:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:22 ` David Kastrup
2011-03-10 16:54 ` Chong Yidong
2011-03-10 17:54 ` David Kastrup
2011-03-10 18:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-10 19:17 ` State of the CEDET merge (was: Emacs 23.3 released) David Engster
2011-03-11 14:29 ` State of the CEDET merge Lluís
2011-03-11 14:45 ` David Kastrup
2011-03-11 15:48 ` Lluís
2011-03-12 9:42 ` David Kastrup
2011-03-12 13:15 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2011-03-12 20:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-13 14:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-14 19:55 ` Lluís
2011-03-14 20:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-14 22:28 ` Lluís
2011-03-13 15:13 ` David Engster
2011-03-14 20:08 ` Lluís
2011-03-15 1:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 14:03 ` Lluís
2011-03-16 15:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 15:30 ` David Kastrup
2011-03-16 20:23 ` Lluís
2011-03-18 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18 17:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-24 8:14 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-24 10:01 ` David Engster
2011-07-24 13:11 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27 2:46 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-27 6:25 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27 7:21 ` David Engster
2011-07-27 7:39 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27 8:06 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-07-27 8:24 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27 16:14 ` Compiled files without sources???? Richard Stallman
2011-07-27 17:57 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-28 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-28 10:02 ` Paul Eggert
2011-07-28 23:00 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-28 23:28 ` Paul Eggert
2011-07-29 14:32 ` Milan
2011-07-29 22:33 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-30 2:12 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-30 4:36 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-30 20:33 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-30 23:20 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-07-31 4:46 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-31 11:03 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 13:29 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-31 17:45 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-07-31 17:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-31 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-31 20:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-31 21:47 ` David Engster [this message]
2011-07-31 22:36 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 23:15 ` David Engster
2011-08-01 0:14 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 23:10 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-01 12:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-01 13:14 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-01 14:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-01 14:42 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-08-02 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-02 7:10 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-03 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-02 0:13 ` Letting the users off the hook Richard Stallman
2011-08-03 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-03 6:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-03 19:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-31 23:56 ` Compiled files without sources???? Richard Stallman
2011-07-31 16:19 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-31 17:04 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 23:56 ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-01 3:08 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-01 21:28 ` Replacing tarballs on-the-fly (was: Re: Compiled files without sources????) Ulrich Mueller
2011-08-02 16:09 ` Replacing tarballs on-the-fly Chong Yidong
2011-08-02 17:43 ` Ulrich Mueller
2011-08-03 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-03 20:31 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-02 0:13 ` Compiled files without sources???? Richard Stallman
2011-08-02 15:56 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-03 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-30 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-29 16:25 ` Evgeny M. Zubok
2011-07-29 16:37 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-29 23:40 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-30 12:56 ` Evgeny M. Zubok
2011-07-30 13:25 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-30 20:55 ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 16:19 ` Richard Stallman
2011-03-10 16:45 ` Emacs 23.3 released Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-11 4:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-11 4:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-11 9:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-11 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-11 23:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-12 0:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-12 1:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 19:21 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-03-11 4:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-11 7:14 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-03-12 3:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-12 12:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-14 14:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-14 14:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-14 15:51 ` Lexbind (was: Emacs 23.3 released) Stefan Monnier
2011-03-17 1:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 10:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 12:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 15:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 18:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 19:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 19:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-19 0:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-19 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-19 9:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 20:01 ` Lexbind Stefan Monnier
2011-03-17 22:07 ` Lexbind Wojciech Meyer
2011-03-17 23:29 ` Lexbind Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-18 7:39 ` Lexbind joakim
2011-03-10 19:27 ` Emacs 23.3 released Mike Mattie
2011-03-10 19:56 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-11 8:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-11 16:56 ` Chong Yidong
2011-03-11 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 18:57 ` Chong Yidong
2011-03-12 9:28 ` updating web manuals [Re: " Jim Meyering
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