From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: .emacs poser Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:14:04 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87txe7qu16.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387300515 17123 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2013 17:15:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:15:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 17 18:15:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VsyEr-0002XV-TJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:15:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34639 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsyEr-0007ro-6m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:15:21 -0500 X-Received: by 10.180.105.68 with SMTP id gk4mr2276879wib.0.1387300470993; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 88.191.116.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!i6no18944358wiy.1!news-out.google.com!bd4ni12217wib.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 69 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2crafEIbUC9d6BvhjUWEHmQYMrw= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:202788 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95057 Archived-At: Doug Lewan writes: > I'm surprised that there's only one mention of input > methods and so much about composing characters, which > is, as you point out, a little clumsy. It depends on where the compose key is, and the compose sequences. If you can do it all without reaching (i.e. all but the active fingers always at asdf jkl; positions) it is not really clumsy. The C-x yada yada yadas are much more clumsy. But you should only use the compose key for a few special cases (which will enter the muscle memory, and, again not be that clumpy if setup close to begin with), *and* to have the general ability to do whatever according to some pattern (but now we are talking *really* rare cases). Of course you should have that freedom. Again, take a look at this list: compose 'o' 'a' to U+00E5 # å compose 'o' 'A' to U+00C5 # Å compose '0' 'a' to U+00E5 # å compose '0' 'A' to U+00C5 # Å compose '"' 'a' to U+00E4 # ä compose '"' 'A' to U+00C4 # Ä compose '/' 'o' to U+00F3 # ó compose '/' 'O' to U+00D3 # Ó compose '"' 'o' to U+00F6 # ö compose '"' 'O' to U+00D6 # Ö compose '/' 'e' to U+00E9 # é compose '/' 'E' to U+00C9 # É compose '/' 'a' to U+00E1 # á compose '/' 'A' to U+00C1 # Á compose '/' 'u' to U+00FA # ú compose '/' 'U' to U+00DA # Ú compose '/' 'i' to U+00ED # í compose '/' 'I' to U+00CD # Í compose '\' 'a' to U+00E0 # à compose '\' 'A' to U+00C0 # À Of course, the main thing for me is to be able to use ä, å, and ö (and their uppercases), but as you see there is a logical pattern so if I ever have to do á I can stop, think, and do it. However, I agree that the compose key is just a tiny bit clumsy compared to just type, which is why I prefer to have abbrev deal with whole words in almost all cases. > (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") ... If this works as I think it does, it is potentially better or at least as good as the compose key solution, only - it only works in Emacs - I'm a bit hesitant if I'd like the prefix to appear (as I guess it does?) before it changes the char - won't that be disruptive? But: I'll get back after I try this. -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573