From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:04:57 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87txdlgcvq.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> References: <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102172804.GB13245@thyrsus.com> <83vby2xo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102183432.GB13506@thyrsus.com> <83sit6xgfg.fsf@gnu.org> <8761q18kni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.org> <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> <20140103174534.GC17261@thyrsus.com> <8761q1x82k.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388772317 503 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 18:05:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 19:05:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz97X-0004sG-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:05:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51107 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz97X-00055U-IE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:05:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz97P-0004uW-4A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:05:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz97J-0002bj-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:05:11 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz97J-0002aD-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:05:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz97I-0004U2-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:05:04 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:05:04 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:05:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8qhUnCNpjYLbobqU9Aa6bFkqC/c= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167204 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:56:51 -0600 Karl Fogel wrote: KF> "Eric S. Raymond" writes: >> There are other things we need to do to let sunlight and fresh air into the >> room. The people who think of Emacs as a relic of bygone decades inhabited >> by graying neckbeards are not, alas, entirely wrong. And I say that as >> arguably one of the neckbeards myself... KF> Right now, two of the biggest sources of hacking energy in the KF> Emacsosphere are in git repositories separate from Emacs' own bzr KF> repository: Org Mode and Gnus. Our switching to git will help reduce at KF> least the degree of separation. Have you seen the amount of activity on GNU ELPA, MELPA, el-get, and others? The amount and variety of packages are amazing. KF> Whether those projects eventually host their "socially agreed on" KF> primary development branches in Emacs' repository is another question; I KF> don't know those dev communities well enough to say, despite being a KF> heavy user of both packages :-). But the mere fact that I instinctively KF> consider them to be somewhat separate developer communities from Emacs KF> itself may be partly an artifact of our having been on bzr for so long. Heh heh. As someone on both sides (Gnus and Emacs) I have to say contributing to Gnus through Git has been much less stressful for me. Ted