From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:42:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87tx2c9i3e.fsf@engster.org> References: <878ujowbnh.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> <85iois5cz3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415306564 31729 80.91.229.3 (6 Nov 2014 20:42:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Leake Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 06 21:42:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XmTt6-0003kI-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:42:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55981 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmTt5-0001LQ-Ta for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:42:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50146) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmTsx-0001KS-BV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:42:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmTsq-0003qA-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:42:27 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:53198) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmTsp-0003pu-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:42:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=l2hV9DTaQD5JbsbicwZNbcUt1uKIznZLEM/a+CG5oNE=; b=NDNeCF7pdMQL0qQPAhnZEA1Eb8TJZhi3huqmgp3tvUG6VOhveKs45ScdppAeDTGccwckcNdv4awZemD+vpCZ2MCFmTnlnfHwZ8AHC9J4NVnilntpa4QgRHrZm6OVIGcr; Original-Received: from ip2504b377.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([37.4.179.119] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XmTso-0002wP-8W; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:42:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <85iois5cz3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> (Stephen Leake's message of "Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:46:24 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.91 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: Stephen Leake , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176488 Archived-At: Stephen Leake writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>>> In Emacs-25.1, I'd like to start bundling some GNU ELPA packages into >>>> Emacs. >>> Now I'm curious. What's the purpose of having a package system and then >>> bundling packages? >> >> I'm sure the XEmacs guys could tell you ;-) >> >> Having a package in ELPA means that it can be updated independently >> from Emacs. >> >> Having packages in elpa.git instead of emacs.git makes their release >> schedules independent. >> >> Having bundled packages in both emacs.git and in elpa.git means >> 2 branches to keep in sync. > > This says why we should have ELPA, and packages either in elpa.git or > emacs.git but not both. > > The question was why we should then bundle some packages from ELPA in > the release tarball. Because users expect that Emacs ships with Org, Gnus and CEDET by default. Bundling ELPA packages gives us the best of both worlds. -David