From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:59:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87tx0ys2eu.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> <20141214082243.77ea5690@Yoda> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418569198 2622 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 14:59:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:59:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 15:59:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0AeF-0005Ut-Px for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:59:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36223 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0AeF-00070Q-Bu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47609) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Adz-000702-E8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Adt-0005yf-OS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:35 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([2001:808:114:2::50]:46692) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Adt-0005y6-Hq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:29 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57C3419A8 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:59:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzlCvdS9hPE1 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:59:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (117-116.echostar.pl [213.156.117.116]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74A2142061 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:59:27 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <20141214082243.77ea5690@Yoda> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:808:114:2::50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101573 Archived-At: On 2014-12-14, at 09:22, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > [...] Scientists for example make a living in exactly that way > --- by being paid to teach science to others and by securing research > grants. And their creative work is free for everyone to read, copy and > "consume" free of charge. And this is *never* considered stealing. As much as I agree with many of your points, I am really sorry to say this is profoundly untrue. Have you ever heard about Aaron Swartz? > There is no conceptual difference between scientific creativity and > artistic creativity, and the corresponding "product" (i.e. information) > should be treated the same way. FTFY: "There is no conceptual difference between scientific publishing industry and entertainment industry". > What would prevent a famous actor/composer/writer to make fantastic > money by giving lessons to others in acting/composing/writing? The > demagogy that poor sorry artists will starve to death if their recorded > art is being copied instead of purchased is just that --- a demagogy. This is in fact how many artists earn they living. (At least musicians: my sister is a musician by profession - not the top percentile, but definitely above the median, though I'm obviously biased;-), and that's why I know that.) > Best, :-) > Marko Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University