From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:16:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87twwdii0v.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87d231wm3y.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429370186 16953 80.91.229.3 (18 Apr 2015 15:16:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 15:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 17:16:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YjUTp-0000Lh-Gy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:16:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45936 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjUTo-0000r4-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60191) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjUTk-0000qz-RF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjUTj-00074g-7b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:34832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjUTj-00074Z-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:16:19 -0400 Original-Received: by widdi4 with SMTP id di4so52416215wid.0 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 08:16:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=uleTf2OBBYVWGDMh2JvLj+sAKjx+0UpEnL6dnKMVJ3Y=; b=Hxq59jGlMptjbVL4DyY5ejBLS7VbOPhTBBpQhbxRgORaq3wJAgnXHvIiOPXYywk8YM wXZdl60s+/fsLIWfSFg1V6mlv9iQCzIQjHc3kqhabyX1GwowjqOtKlZ2rADKB3sAguKA pHXwabWAgLSo01H1wXDTvDeJQ7b+1yU50YhAf7FiZPOrwFJlaDOk9+n7C7lmRCuqm46O T2UjPmtZDtXHiLW3OP5sJUPe15nBsJu09+tNnfsDqHAON6ZUCJ/OeECga3WTJfYCCzJl b6EuhDn5ajrgI7eaCkVn76ovP9kgPQVJ0RbQRGdqw93McjVe5sMvcITcxUotzHKROOn4 2mlw== X-Received: by 10.180.82.135 with SMTP id i7mr10596591wiy.68.1429370178450; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 08:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from taylan.uni.cx (p200300514A439B920213E8FFFEED36FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [2003:51:4a43:9b92:213:e8ff:feed:36fb]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b1sm19310126wjs.17.2015.04.18.08.16.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Apr 2015 08:16:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d231wm3y.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (Nic Ferrier's message of "Sat, 18 Apr 2015 15:24:17 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185597 Archived-At: Nic Ferrier writes: > My preference would be to add a post-package-init.el thereby not > changing the defined semantics of the current system at all. That would be good for backwards compatibility, but won't solve the problem of people asking why a function in their init.el is undefined when they installed the package providing it. A clearly with-solution documented breakage in a major release should be an acceptable trade-off, I think. WDYT? (The solution being "if you have (package-initialize) anywhere in your init.el, copy everything before it to ~/.emacs.d/pre-package-init.el, then remove the (package-initialize) and everything prior to it." Correct me if I'm missing something.) Taylan