From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:37:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87twrvenkm.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D29EA6.2020009@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818103921.GA2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D36132.1020900@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818171715.GD2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3869E.30302@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818204211.GF2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3A641.7040409@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818231529.GG2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D404F4.90401@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439969888 7509 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2015 07:38:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:38:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 19 09:37:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRxwa-0001jd-I3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:37:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60844 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRxwa-0007KP-16 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:37:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40700) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRxwJ-0007Hw-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRxwG-0003vB-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:37:39 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRxwF-0003v1-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:37:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRxwE-0001S3-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:37:34 +0200 Original-Received: from 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.43.64.122]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:37:34 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:37:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AEhEGluWNK1/8gsOnD2GYnDwQSE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188937 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> I think you know full well what I mean by "working character", > > No, actually, I don't. From my point of view "working character" is a > slippery notion that mutates when we try to pin it down. Perhaps we > should stick with "non-ASCII character"; that's clear. > >> Spanish keyboards DO have "Ó", for any sensible value of "have". > > Only if properly configured. If you use these keyboards with the > wrong settings, Compose ' O won't work, and there's no "Ó" key on the > keyboard so you'll be stuck. In these respects "Ó", "‘" and "’" are > all in the same category on a Spanish keyboard. And this is OK. Paul, as an Spaniard with 30+ years of experience with computers, I can assure you that accented letters is a non-issue since a *long* time ago. I can't remember having issues with accents since I'm using PCs, that's 20+ years. The only way you can have problems with accented letters is if you lie to the OS saying that your keyboard is not Spanish. However, I'm lost if you ask me how to input "‘" and "’" (see, I copy&pasted from your text). Probably I would use the Emacs Unicode facilities looking for something that looks like those chars, and hope I arrive at the actual chars and not at something with the same looks but that's not quite the same. [snip]