From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <87tw12oy37.fsf@holos> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503256202 17431 195.159.176.226 (20 Aug 2017 19:10:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:10:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Radon Rosborough Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 20 21:09:54 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1djVbX-0003av-73 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:09:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50159 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djVba-0006Ld-Jz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djVbP-0006Kb-H1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djVbM-0003b1-CM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-x242.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242]:35303) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djVbM-0003ad-5E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:09:36 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-x242.google.com with SMTP id t37so12981934qtg.2 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 12:09:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=udel-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=yqNTMgDntYOZszf3L88ZlmcfzFNmqWO+VRQm1gYV9Ys=; b=Zn7Xo1Z2fQ5VyLvvAGxQeFnm6J1zol1wbu+3VE9qNzaMqFp5OUnGLV7Z4H+g1+s/54 42QKhxT2YHR0BHkgurUVSuLrVDl9dAlLey8v9G+OsvAdgyjfOC1kuYC6ZjH9gB/bEq2w ppvSbk1E3BMnlikYczoDlO+Fz2HiwKOKk4ce6ftnQnC4oyeLxNrkONkWrzIgPETLiPyz 9XTmzNVZY4DPZfkr7XVce+Ln9jwM7LucYZ8Z978gtiiWNyqZyW68kF1/RTgzODFd8/78 mvrmted3nxz7XzeZPkTVK4jShfWw1vk2vFSrTpa2Z70fJsrIbXBlyYqy3CfKzqjYQzlm rZpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=yqNTMgDntYOZszf3L88ZlmcfzFNmqWO+VRQm1gYV9Ys=; b=SQeS8lKuQow+NRTolfXNqZTiKPO9PvGHIx0KxTK3klxxUA0y0m2z568c1qsNgG+dOC hsnZFS/fVO/b8cR6dOC3gTulTyUhdK5UDvqwHh1aKp9YmkdBiC+4BQKyX2V3foSg/Ced cWFkJ1vG39KPKNP8IxsWJ0cu4wjVYRpMgA8uD8jgMBewiAKYTcmT1hxC0rxuxHBxovaX kD9iz9PziaJqj19OpT7cfrN7bHIb32hPE8jLkaTT9A282Y8EeSylcXXnqrKLNlUFAJuv qChib4/vAc6hjEeZ2G5j0/W9hS/lYBfQfmwNLIj0hHfCEa+FsQGPy+7BiPSzToU19feU c4cw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iPIIeoHtw93XUnMyfEqfLNahCN3uJdAR/j2m8DjZlE885N3Kn7 kY2GWirs9zr9EhTlec0oDg== X-Received: by 10.200.44.29 with SMTP id d29mr20500974qta.123.1503256173925; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from holos.localdomain (pool-173-64-88-95.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. [173.64.88.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t184sm5783400qkc.54.2017.08.20.12.09.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 20 Aug 2017 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 62B8B6BD3A; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:09:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Radon Rosborough's message of "Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:38:05 -0700") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217644 Archived-At: Radon Rosborough writes: > Last week I posted an inquiry [1] about package.el's auto-insertion of > code into the init-file. Six people weighed in, but no definitive > conclusion was reached. I would like to propose concrete next steps, > summarizing relevant parts of the discussion in the process. Thanks for pushing the issue. > ==> The proposal > > The `package--ensure-init-file' logic will be removed +1 for reverting. I will happily propose and write documentation for various use cases of package.el, but I will not waste my time as long as the current solution is in place.