From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 19:00:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87tvq4gf2k.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> <83602yd027.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh5yv86g.fsf@mbork.pl> <87muw6a34g.fsf@gmail.com> <87wov680o7.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1529082062 32353 195.159.176.226 (15 Jun 2018 17:01:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 17:01:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: aminb@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, john@yates-sheets.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 15 19:00:57 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fTs5o-0008F9-7l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 19:00:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48404 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTs7v-0000la-BY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:03:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50153) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTs6z-0000EV-Ia for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTs6y-0004ka-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:42798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTs6r-0004hH-61; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:02:01 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D6BE6705; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 19:01:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewuujbJY_cRD; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 19:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9450EE65A0; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 19:01:52 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226334 Archived-At: On 2018-06-12, at 02:33, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > At the risk of sounding quite rude and assuring it's not my intention at > > > all: do you _like_ to be called an animal? > > > Wow, I didn't see that coming. Even if the analogy is slightly flawed, > > point taken. > > I think it is a very good analogy. Every human being is, in fact, an > animal. (I doubt any plants, fungi, or unicellular organisms are > reading this message.) Nonetheless, calling someone an "animal" has > another meaning, and people don't like to be called "animals". As I said, I agree the analogy is good (even if it has some flaws). > Calling the person a "Republican" -- who actually disagrees with that > party -- is perhaps a closer analogy. I actually think it is much worse. For starters, while all humans are (at least in certain technical sense) animals, they are so much more that calling them "animals" is offensive. That is not true of any political party. Last but not least, what is truly offensive is calling someone "left-wing" (admittedly, both Republican and Democratic parties in the US are quite strongly left-wing, but Democrats seem to be much worse in that regard). Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl