From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ? Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:21:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87tvd29cxq.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <08AC8151-5911-40FA-8B20-818B839D00AB@traduction-libre.org> <6F55E018-B15E-42B0-8794-21F55BBA23D3@traduction-libre.org> <34E3289C-10EE-4A23-AEE4-80D984DB2EDE@gnu.org> <6A538FF9-94C8-491D-B1B9-5C0D09FE7C39@acm.org> <838suesw93.fsf@gnu.org> <39C4CA13-5290-42F6-82C1-9E3887B7BE25@traduction-libre.org> <83v9xirdcr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="23195"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 07 08:24:36 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.47]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ8Il-0005sk-HS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:24:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46216 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ8Ik-0000Tj-0d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ8Ib-0000Tb-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:24:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ8IZ-00049k-Vt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:42178) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ8IX-000442-KV; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E758E662D; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:24:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pedPo-uDp4DY; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:24:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (83.25.99.3.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl [83.25.99.3]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D80EE662B; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:24:09 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <83v9xirdcr.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237302 Archived-At: On 2019-06-06, at 16:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary >> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 22:25:17 +0900 >> >> Why is it useful to have different behavior on GUI and TTY frames? >> >> Because expectations are different ? > > Are they? I don't think so. Of course they are. I don't expect to be able to view a pdf in Emacs on a TTY frame, for instance. But (to be more serious) I also expect some keybindings not to work on a TTY frame. And let me mention that I consider Jean-Christophe's emails extremely valuable. It's not often that we have a normal person (aka non-(technical geek) - as opposed to a (non-technical) geek, which Jean-Christophe seems to be;-)) here. There are people outside IT that want to use Emacs, and every bit in the manual that is confusing for them is worth being fixed. Also, even though I've been an Emacs user for about two decades now, and I've been a computer geek for about three decades now, the ESC / C-[ legacy is still rather baffling for me. My 2 cents, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl