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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:239785 Archived-At: > Is it truly wise to have the word =E2=80=9Ctab=E2=80=9D as part of the = name of this > feature? The word =E2=80=9Ctab=E2=80=9D (when not referring to codepoin= t U+0009 CHARACTER > TABULATION) usually refers to the specific visual indication that resem= bles > a row of tabs in old filing cabinets. The feature itself doesn't really > have that much to do with tabs of either kind. A row of tabs in filing cabinets and notebooks is a good analogy to what these visual elements are intended for. > I'm raising this because I initially had no idea what this was about > (thinking it referred to U+0009) and even after figuring it out, I'm st= ill > confused by the names of the functions and modes. > > A term that uniquely describes the actual feature would be very helpful= in > reducing confusion. Especially among people who have never heard about = the > functionality before. Actually there is not much confusion between two terms - on the Wikipedia disambiguation page there are two separate definitions: Computing and technology Tab (interface), a visual marker in a computer application Tab key, on a keyboard Even the Emacs Glossary at (info "(emacs) Glossary") defines the TAB using a special syntax where all letters are in upper case: is the tab character. In Emacs it is typically used for indentation or completion. So in the documentation when mentioned as a key, the term is usually in upper-case as TAB, or more disambiguation is added such as in =E2=80=9Ctab key=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Ctab character=E2=80=9D - these are = different things too: the former is a key on the keyboard, the latter is a character usually displayed as 8 spaces, but there is not much confusion between them too.