From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3179: Entering Chinese "zero": add U+3007 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 22:18:25 +0900 Message-ID: <87tv6ouoke.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87my9wvf0r.fsf@jidanni.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="260374"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stepnem@gmail.com, 3179@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 28 14:22:34 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJkg-0015bL-6z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:22:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49108 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJkd-0002t2-2V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:22:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53433) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJhM-0001I5-N2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:19:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJhI-0000iM-Bh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:19:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJhI-0000hG-7B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:19:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJhG-0000cV-G9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:19:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: handa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3179 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 3179-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3179.15749471262359 (code B ref 3179); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3179) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2019 13:18:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJgz-0000by-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:18:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41522) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJgx-0000bm-FG for 3179@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:18:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41889) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJgq-00073b-PH; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:18:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fl1-133-202-218-126.iba.mesh.ad.jp ([133.202.218.126]:56020 helo=shatin) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJgn-000621-K0; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:18:35 -0500 Original-Received: from handa by shatin with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iaJgf-0000hp-H3; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 22:18:25 +0900 In-Reply-To: <83bltc6lci.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:45:33 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:172600 Archived-At: Sorry for the very very late response. In article <83bltc6lci.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Kenichi, could you please respond to this issue? TIA. I agree that "ling2" sould correspond to U+3007 rather than to the current U+25CB (WHITE CIRCLE). For the latter, if we dare to assign some key sequence, it should be "wan2" (the key sequence for "=E4=B8=B8" (t= he meaning is circle)). I don't remember why quail-ext.el has such a code. As it is in quail-ext.el, perhaps it was a request from some Chinese user. --- K. Handa handa@gnu.org > > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:00:19 +0300 > > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 3179@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > > >=20 > > > > From: =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n N=C4=9Bmec > > > > Cc: 3179@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:00:35 +0200 > > > >=20 > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:51:35 +0300 > > > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > > Ming Hua gave no reasoning, and =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n said U+3007= is the standard way > > > > > to write ideographic zero. But why should we assume the intent h= ere > > > > > was to use the ideographic zero? > > > >=20 > > > > The intent (to write ideographic zero, not white circle) is quite c= lear, > > > > because that's what the key "ling2" means in Mandarin. As is usuall= y the > > > > case in Chinese, ling2 can also mean a lot of other things, but whi= te > > > > circle is not one of them. > > > >=20 > > > > You can check with any Chinese or Japanese input method what sugges= tion > > > > you get for that key (in Japanese that'd be =E3=82=8C=E3=81=84/rei)= . I, for example, > > > > use fcitx with mozc for Japanese and sunpinyin for Chinese, both of > > > > which do the right thing. (I don't normally use Emacs input methods= for > > > > CJK languages, I find quail too limited for those and I suspect the= same > > > > will be the case for other serious users, which might also be the r= eason > > > > for the lack of previous feedback.) > > > >=20 > > > > That said, by all means, do check with Handa-san, I'm kind of curio= us > > > > myself. > > >=20 > > > Thanks, I've CC'ed him.