From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18992: 24.4; describe-mode Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 12:35:29 +0100 Message-ID: <87tv6ff1j2.fsf@marxist.se> References: <545DDF6C.9000901@easy-emacs.de> <871tpdvk10.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="260421"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 18992@debbugs.gnu.org To: Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 05 12:36:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1icpQe-0015bY-28 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xdotbQxN7Zy7tZ/JW6XQZSn5i9fQtEs9bQrx6N347oQ=; b=TMpzdU6oIr8GLXIxnzCW7ld+5T q/bgoajvlWZThrAI0Eeb7eEpc80JHQOu3cSS3s9DBmYK3fxAmF7NojOwNVSaiu/tw+t2vAF8i+sTD sSW3j/uW0YRuIhoaF5tvSJrF5X/XS8QuCr6wTY36MT5v3NGPYyRiFICrXiIENcYm79KlPJOoRhouA 1aluVsNMPdcJxP70d89Tb/bhZIeWcl5xgYPVTDMDWpzHGe1gUq/OObZsIGUWDTsfj36VayxW6QlOn +6GipSBPShJm6rWOPWuptgXunBcryar/TR/EEhoOwa77saw2PvTcNfnRb4xXjES3wHg9DMebffwcd FIKKPqoA==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:45424 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1icpPv-001M2c-MG; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 06:35:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871tpdvk10.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Sat, 08 Nov 2014 15:34:03 +0100") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:172897 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn writes: > Well, but of course having the mode functions printed in `describe-mode' > wouldn't hurt anyway. This patch does that: [...] > With that, in this message buffer I get: > > Message mode (`message-mode') defined in `message.el': > Major mode for editing mail and news to be sent. > Like Text Mode but with these additional commands: I don't think this is an improvement. It risks confusing more than it helps, especially for beginning users. We can already say `C-h v major-mode RET' which to my mind is wholly sufficient for anyone who needs to know the value of the `major-mode' variable. > With the following patch, the same would be done for the active minor > modes, too: [...] > However, in contrast to major-modes, minor mode names tend to be much > longer, so we can get some long lines like: > > Global-Edit-Server-Edit minor mode (`global-edit-server-edit-mode'; no indicator): I think this is even less of an improvement. I suggest to close this as wontfix. If I don't see any objections, I'll just go ahead and do that within a couple of weeks. Please send any opinions on this issue before then. Best regards, Stefan Kangas