From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21563: 24.5; discourage load-hook variables Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:33:19 +0100 Message-ID: <87tv4vy19c.fsf@marxist.se> References: <39185.7955.374134.22021@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87tv4w1poj.fsf@marxist.se> <87muaoz2qu.fsf@marxist.se> <320a9fa6-6419-420e-ac97-9dcbe54a04a6@default> <87h80wz0dm.fsf@marxist.se> <80b979c0-0fdf-4b84-bf1b-cde0a596f8bb@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="106264"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Roland Winkler , 21563@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 16 14:34:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1is5I2-000RN1-B0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ozdOOTlMSFEkKLFbcVx04rLe9ANZcV0X6o3skUjHJPo=; b=OLiFz5uKpf0XgRt92TgSW8OQJi kvpIJ1exPS84gJSd8cqALD2oacpPMUmljvXVw8JS8KRmDd7bpGvsVHzAVoxS8nsOdPYFcGERftB1T IytQODN+VFaZRYz+4r4TSoh9Bu6as3t6OPSJkIKnXEJP8oI3krTJmZHHIYIyTuaVJ1D2JbbRGwZ+h 6hfaJYPH6l/GT8JtymiX4w4Wru6AvANMsEhyqyaLRkws3u7Dv73zuc4mtVZQNNuOGRDA2gjFHyNuq Kur49ptSQn1cXvYqiP5ksMSKLVC95y5aNiO/ihVn283r/qb683r2BjJ+Gf1mLopsaGlwuxgiFqsGb b31/fMUg==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:42518 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1is5H0-000Bm1-LU; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:33:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <80b979c0-0fdf-4b84-bf1b-cde0a596f8bb@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 15 Jan 2020 19:56:09 -0800 (PST)") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:174706 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > So is the argument now that the existence of load > hooks makes maintenance too complicated? What will > be the next argument? To summarize what has come up in this thread so far, the load-hook convention has the following problems: 1. They are never called if set by a user after a library is loaded. 2. They can lead to issues like Bug#24491. 3. They require every package (that wants to use them) to add boiler plate code. They are also redundant since we have eval-after-load and with-eval-after-load, which do not have any of the above problems. Best regards, Stefan Kangas