From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Gregor Zattler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Sending mail: line wrapping and quoted-printable encoding Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:52:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87tv15ux8r.fsf@no.workgroup> References: <87368q4qyj.fsf@no.workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="41729"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 10:55:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSzXp-000AiK-MV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:55:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60374 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSzXo-0005h5-FO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 04:55:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54700) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSzUt-0005fF-Mj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 04:52:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSzUr-0002dm-RF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 04:52:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:36955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSzUr-0002Jl-2z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 04:52:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1587977529; bh=Yog3V19/DocHPu3LZGhoJ6tjxULjkSTWma4awPNPKtQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=JYRrQKD3q7tJn2GTtNbG2deM2qrvKf4z8PlVf6DHd67X5lLbugAF0iszSDhsiDViL +4u5LABiXoR6sS9hYzyIlI5wXu2/r0Iupd9Aswh1WHVVyMStKDpGm8hlyLbPhNET5D nsX70mZmliM65KoLmtC2vQ57/4jv4EG/IZbpVnvw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from no.workgroup ([46.94.155.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MNbkv-1jqxUY0ea3-00P1m5; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:52:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:GGJX+qjeTUIrzoltPJ3NVN9VIR73wsVwEiityhZkwK2zsnAmq2M nrLAOlBbRBPosNohMJl3++pcg14xeSyoY3Dd4s5BgvzERmcGtMZ42jCPfIB4Th36uSmheH5 dJ0AqEbtMygpfGhtdoC8qjcBd+LHLe7Z4Q4v3Yl953t2jp0KJRvUNQQoAp+9XW0uzqmx9L3 RftYfMCbfM0LCGlz7NnyA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:GLrWkKYb51c=:2l7VMJY9eNLtCG9WawKQYb +C6x5dXvgU6odq3kErBRzwrniImUKx5o0bJiLpWzI1BHmx5YR80p/byqb0+rppTVBRc0Ae/38 N1YKMprZiTv8Ze6ip1I7M/kYhhyDtM0nl1IZ8megrnpkPOthSpT+9m2l2PdefnZSv6mqoYjda 4J601QN0bukSD5uq9n28fUBbu4ppoXYcvMqmU+4GELto+jfanEF+OIcawSSQIZNzdeEYSn/jB guOvO5L6M48RWLCNPxfQzCAlqRsVbIe+k0qTd/pjswiQFzXOurrI5hJtKa520PDqeVTLIKXz4 +pEj6iuTNJkCZAIdwYl0PlvBXHNc1vvI0BdI75j2cZscnDCzHnOkzDkBrgm4/gQHMGGwsOBaO H3cMKF9bkSuZxG1Cz9SbYbejRb+GesrCz31uZonwwlqSu1w5EyWitYXdf4OJl43Hv0sPV4tv+ AVuQcbN3IKgbKA035RqA+hmTxKMT6PoIXB/+a/nAZlo8WKco7OMGcPXKs/rAk6nScaOOJbFXx etnA6rEqEVKC1DIXLdFSjHAjtNoD9/ULuCn+YEhFyxlGzNjfpJZ3Zok829jTpQTvgyjDyJ42Z Mq9ooTskwqT67x0Jr7jp7BPfe2mpBzfLPKq66WjJDCCxqub1hDy9ezFtG5Vcdw2O4tV/uYHsN 1oDCgCPLB6mG3giaXlLK8uZGbtvGQHJ+3/ekY4dSMuPwc6oumj3gPtIuy0AyhyepmtP5QE5E7 4pqxuUe0ZFHj4tT6nY6sNC+gdNiWH/DeKmulFQyTBd8H7gk2Jph+08JIjX7DOQUzM6xeHWh+ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=telegraph@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 04:52:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.15 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:122954 Archived-At: Hi Radu, emacs users, * Radu Butoi [2020-04-26; 14:44]: > Gregor Zattler writes: >> * Radu Butoi [2020-04-25; 20:19]: >>> I've recently set up my mail in Emacs, and it works >>> well. Gmail, though, doesn't support [1] format=flowed, >>> resulting in the hard-to-read comb effect when viewing >>> on mobile, which I'd like to avoid. Doing some more >>> research, I see that the quoted-printable encoding >>> (which Gmail does support [2], and I've confirmed) can >>> also be used to avoid hard line breaks while keeping >>> under the line length limit. >> >> actually I read the two resources you provided as gmail >> displays format=flowed formatted emails but does not >> allow a web interface user to send such email. >> >> Sine you want to send emails with emacs everything should >> be fine? > > It has worked in the past, but the redesign from ~two > years ago removed it again. Apologies on the misleading > link -- here's [1] some from more recently. I also > confirmed it doesn't work. OK, but since the web page which states that Gmail wraps quoted-printable encoded emails is even older than the ones stating that Gmail does not wrap format=flowed any more, perhaps quoted-printable also will not work? And then there is the question who other providers will show quoted-printable E-Mails in their clients (web interfaces). >>> More generally, since I'm new to terminal-based email, >>> what is the etiquette around hard-wrapping (or not)? >>> Would it be rude to send paragraphs as one logical line >>> (wrapped-in-transmission by quoted-printable) and expect >>> people to soft-wrap? >> >> I send emails with lines no longer than 65 characters and >> my mail client (notmuch/message/emacs) allows me to fill >> the paragraphs while I type. > > Same here (notmuch), using the default message-fill-column > of 72. I also set notmuch-wash-wrap-lines-length so that > incoming long lines are wrapped. Is this a fair > expectation to set on everyone? It's one of the first > things I did, since I still get converted HTML mail that > would otherwise take up the full width of my screen. > >> I assume today's smartphones to be more than capable of >> showing 65 chars in one line. > > I'm afraid not: here's [2] how your email looks like on my > Pixel 4 XL, a considerably big phone. thanks a lot for this screenshot. Obviously this also depends on the users font size. I now re-wraped this whole email to 60 chars per line and hope it displays well. Ciao, Gregor