From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How are the defaults chosen? Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:58:02 +0300 Message-ID: <87tuw7q6wl.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <83d02vkox1.fsf@gnu.org> <87zh5zqat9.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26352"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , thibaut.verron@gmail.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 17:58:52 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2Um-0006kv-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:58:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52756 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2Ul-00078X-CU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49008) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2U6-0006fp-91 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:58:10 -0400 Original-Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:34471) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2U4-0002bh-52 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:58:10 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 31.206.236.86 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.206.236.86]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F97D40006; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.194; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay2-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/09 10:35:38 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254890 Archived-At: On 2020-09-09 18:07 +03, Stefan Kangas wrote: > This entire discussion seems to start out from the premise that the > defaults change willy-nilly, when the reality is that Emacs is famous > precisely for being very backwards compatible and conservative. They > change only when there are strong reasons to do so. I think this discussion is happening because until recently Emacs was the kind of software where the users were the developers and the developers were the users. Even if a user weren=E2=80=99t actively participating here, they were aware of it and how things happened. But recently we=E2=80=99re experiencing an influx of new users that are coming = from different background and through different pathways who are not really familiar with how things happen, and clear explanations of how things happen here could help bridge the gap. > I think it would be more useful to demonstrate some important breaking > changes that we should not have done. Didn=E2=80=99t intend to imply such stuff happened. Sorry if it was unders= tood that way. Just that, as above, there=E2=80=99s a large community of Emacse= rs that are not familiar with say pre-2010 FOSS development, with how things are decided in a mailing list, debbugs, etc. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427