Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

    <incal> OK so the Swedes and Germans are mostly
            responsible for the, in your words, present
            terrible situation in Poland?
            
    <incal> do _you_ think that _is_ the reason?
    
     <amix> 80%, yes
     
    <incal> oki :) case closed
    
    <incal> wait, what are the other 20% you think?

    [...]
     
    <incal> amix, OK for Poland, maybe you are right, maybe
            not, heck do I know. only... Russia (Ukraine etc)
            was to a huge extent destroyed by the Germans one
            would agree. then it was their turn, and everyone
            else's (the bombings, Dresden etc), to destroy
            Germany. and what about Japan that were blasted
            clean virtually by US bombardment? even using the
            A-bombs, twice?
            
     <amix> ¯\_(x )_/¯ [1]
     
     [here everybody had to stop, take a deep breath, and
      think. ikr? what ARE these chars?]

    <incal> this ¯ is called a MACRON, old name SPACING MACRON
    
    <incal> this - is called a HYPHEN-MINUS, old name isn't
            even a dash!

    <incal> this _ is called a LOW LINE, old name not even an
            underscore but a SPACING UNDERSCORE
            
    <incal> zzap and zembix, you follow this development?
    
     <zzap> what is that, keysymdef.h?
     
    <incal> it is Emacs' `describe-char'
    
    <incal> zzap, "the character's canonical name and other
            properties defined by the Unicode Data Base"

So the question is - how does that work, what is the
connection and so on, how do you download (?), parse etc (??),
and access that database???

[1] The "x" in that one-liner ASCII-art history discussion
    argument is actually, according to the mentioned Emacs
    function, KATAKANA LETTER TU. I replaced it by an
    x because it seems in particular KATAKANA LETTER TU cannot
    be displyed properly in an Emacs instance running in the
    console, i.e. a tty or a Linux VT.

Note: Subject line countries appear in the order of
      appearance. NO! I mean in the order in which they appear
      in the letter. Let's do an alpha sort just to be safe:

        Germany
        Japan
        Poland
        Russia
        Sweden
        Ukraine

Note 2: By "alpha" I mean alphabetical order, not like the
        "alpha male" or anything like that. But just to be
        safe, let's do an... oh christ almighty, this is
        killing me.

Note 3: Let's just put it like this. The Swedes are THE VERY,
        VERY BEST, OK? if we are to believe amix, we are even
        responsible for 80% of Poland's perceived and/or real
        misery to this very day! You know, that actually
        sounds like us, doesn't it when you think about it?
        When we set or task at something, we like to get it
        done. you know, for real... THORorly!

Note 4: ...

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Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[tomas]

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 03:55:48PM +0200, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:

[...]

I'm a bit confused. Is this below your question?

> So the question is - how does that work, what is the
> connection and so on, how do you download (?), parse etc (??),
> and access that database???

If yes, this might be an answer:

https://www.unicode.org/Public/zipped/13.0.0/

(Hint: I went from the Wikipedia page on Unicode and followed some
links).

Cheers
 - t

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Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

tomas wrote:

>> So the question is - how does that work, what is the
>> connection and so on, how do you download (?), parse etc
>> (??), and access that database???
>
> [...] this might be an answer:
>
> https://www.unicode.org/Public/zipped/13.0.0/

Thanks, how does it happen from Emacs?

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Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[tomas]

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:25:38PM +0200, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:
> tomas wrote:
> 
> >> So the question is - how does that work, what is the
> >> connection and so on, how do you download (?), parse etc
> >> (??), and access that database???
> >
> > [...] this might be an answer:
> >
> > https://www.unicode.org/Public/zipped/13.0.0/
> 
> Thanks, how does it happen from Emacs?

You're welcome. What do you mean by "it" and by "happens"? Finding
the URL? Downloading the database? Something else?

Cheeers
 - t

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Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

tomas wrote:

>>> https://www.unicode.org/Public/zipped/13.0.0/
>> 
>> Thanks, how does it happen from Emacs?
>
> You're welcome. What do you mean by "it" and by "happens"?
> Finding the URL? Downloading the database? Something else?

When Emacs shows output with `describe-char' and it says in
the docstring it gets it from a database:

   the character's canonical name and other properties defined
   by the Unicode Data Base

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Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[tomas]

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:14:25PM +0200, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:
> tomas wrote:
> 
> >>> https://www.unicode.org/Public/zipped/13.0.0/
> >> 
> >> Thanks, how does it happen from Emacs?
> >
> > You're welcome. What do you mean by "it" and by "happens"?
> > Finding the URL? Downloading the database? Something else?
> 
> When Emacs shows output with `describe-char' and it says in
> the docstring it gets it from a database:
> 
>    the character's canonical name and other properties defined
>    by the Unicode Data Base

(sorry, fell asleep last night)

You mean: how do those things get into Emacs?

For this, I did a trick I like to do when I barely know what I'm
doing.

 - first, find an Unicode codepoint name which is somewhat
   distinctive (meaning: a string not likely to appear
   "spontaneously" out there by some strange genetic coincidence).
   I went with "REVERSED QUESTION MARK".

 - grep the Emacs sources for it (M-x grep find is my friend.
   It wants to be yours ;-)
   You do have the Emacs sources around, don't you?

And here it is:

  admin/unidata/UnicodeData.txt

There is a README file in that directory explaining where (and when)
all those files come from.

Or is it something else you are after?

Cheers
 - t

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RE: [External] : Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[Drew Adams]

> (sorry, fell asleep last night)

Please don't do that again! ;-)

Re: [External] : Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[tomas]

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On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 09:36:05PM +0000, Drew Adams wrote:
> > (sorry, fell asleep last night)
> 
> Please don't do that again! ;-)

While I try to avoid it, it tends to happen with
regularity :-)

Cheers
 - t

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Re: Unicode Data Base: Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

tomas wrote:

> You do have the Emacs sources around, don't you?

Actually I left it in my other pants...

> And here it is:
>
>   admin/unidata/UnicodeData.txt
>
> There is a README file in that directory explaining where
> (and when) all those files come from.

Hooray \o/

005F;LOW LINE;Pc;0;ON;;;;;N;SPACING UNDERSCORE;;;;

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