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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276837 Archived-At: [I have been individually instructed [here](https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-tangents/2021-10/msg00001.html) to express my differences with GNU on a mailing list no one reads gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org, but being as no one else appears bound to that directive, and being as I consider myself having more to contribute both technically and philosophically than they, I too willfully flout that directive] SK> VSCode is less ambitious than Emacs, and is built on worse foundations. SK> That means that their development will inevitably hit a ceiling, whereas SK> ours won't. Everything about the above is false. Emacs development, for better or worse, is hemmed by philosophical considerations that VSCode is not. Silliness including EMBA and the handwringing over LSP and Github remind me, ironically given GNU's ballyhooed respect for freedoms, of China's miniaturization of the internet behind their so-called Great Firewall. Like GNU, Chinese officials maintain that the wider internet at large is plagued by vice, and thus every conceivable service must be replicated *ab initio* under their enlightened moral code. The difference is China, given that it's, well, a huge country, actually has a chance of succeeding.