From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#400: [External] : bug#400: 23.0.60; C-h v should pick up lispified name in Customize Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 21:25:53 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87tuh7ac0u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <007f01c8cca9$3cbbf770$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <875z8rum4k.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8mjnf5n.fsf@gnu.org> <83fssuany1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8192"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Howard Melman , "400@debbugs.gnu.org" <400@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 23 20:46:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1meM2J-0001u8-NS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 20:46:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45644 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meM2I-0001iF-Go for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:46:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57766) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meLu7-0007PC-QK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:38:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53963) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meLu6-00029D-M2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:38:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meLu6-0008WE-K7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:38:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 400 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 400-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B400.163501422432648 (code B ref 400); Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 400) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2021 18:37:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meLtA-0008UN-02 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:50283) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meLt1-0008Sr-11 for 400@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:36:56 -0400 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80C89240003; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:36:47 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:51:50 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:218023 Archived-At: >> but I'm now thinking that something like outline-cycle >> would be great in any customize buffer. Let S-TAB cycle >> through the various states of all options at once. > > Fine. But: > > 1. There should also be a simple visual affordance > (e.g., button or some indication of a key to hit). > Customize is also (but not only) for new users, > who won't necessarily know about such a cycling > key. A help text at the beginning should be sufficient. > 2. Unfortunately, Emacs decided to follow the outside > convention that S-TAB has the same behavior as TAB, > except that it cycles backward. This wasn't a good > idea, IMO, but it was done, so another key would be > needed for your cycling behavior. In outline-minor-mode, S-TAB cycles outlines only when point is on the heading. Otherwise, S-TAB preserves its original binding to move backward.