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[141.239.253.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m8-20020a170902db0800b0018157b415dbsm5183491plx.63.2022.10.16.13.24.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:24:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:43:32 +0000") Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029; envelope-from=bobnewell@bobnewell.net; helo=mail-pj1-x1029.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140005 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > What is a 'moral equivalence' in Emacs Lisp? >>=20 >> I have actually seen this expression used in a similar manner >> in what is supposed to be a serious mathematical textbook. >> Grimmett & Welsh, in "Probability, An Introduction" state >>=20 >> "A slightly different but morally equivalent definition of a >> discrete random variable is a function X : Omega -> R such >> that there exists a countable subset S =E2=8A=86 R with P(X =E2=88=88 S)= =3D 1." > > And what did you conclude it meant there? > > Just as good? More or less the same? Not > worse? Equivalent modulo some unstated or > maybe unknown but probably unimportant or > trivial diffrences? > > Something else? I couldn't conclude a single thing from "morally equivalent" and it's hardly a textbook I recommend or like (for many reasons but that's way off topic). I found it interesting and amusing that the same expression turned up elsewhere, that's the extent of it.=20 --=20 Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i - Via GNU/Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB