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From: Jack Kamm <jackkamm@tatersworld.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Matt <matt@excalamus.com>, emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] shell sessions started outside of Babel broken
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 07:04:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ttzhy9vm.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875yc1wz37.fsf@localhost>

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Org babel assumes ... session is properly initialized if that buffer
> exists.

Forgive me for opining a moment -- but I think it's worthwhile for Org
Babel to support external sessions where feasible.

ob-R and ob-python have long supported this, though recent changes to
ob-python seem to have broken it there (I'm looking into fixing that).

Having the extra flexibility to start the session manually can be
handy. For example, conda is currently broken with ob-shell sessions (as
discussed in this thread), but not M-x shell sessions, so it provides a
useful workaround.

For ob-python, in the past I found that manually invoking "M-x
run-python" was convenient for starting different types of python
sessions, such as with IPython, or with conda environments.

That being said, I do appreciate that supporting this use case adds
extra headaches for maintenance, and is difficult to test. In the end, I
think it should be up to the individual Babel maintainer whether they
want to support it for their language.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-19 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-06 19:39 [PATCH] Async evaluation in ob-shell Matt
2023-02-07 11:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-09  4:33   ` Matt
2023-02-09 11:24     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-10 22:19       ` Matt
2023-02-11 11:44         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-12 19:32           ` Matt
2023-02-15 15:08             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  4:02               ` Matt
2023-02-17 10:44                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-19 23:14                   ` Matt
2023-02-20 11:24                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 17:24                       ` Matt
2023-02-22 10:30                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-02  1:36                           ` Matt
2023-03-03 14:52                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-03 17:53                               ` Matt
2023-03-05 12:15                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-06  6:45                                   ` Matt
2023-03-07 12:45                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09 17:36                                       ` Matt
2023-03-10  1:52                                         ` Max Nikulin
2023-03-12 16:28                                         ` Jack Kamm
2023-03-18 10:48                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-21 20:29                                           ` Matt
2023-03-22 12:12                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-23 11:50                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-23 19:35                                               ` Matt
2023-03-24  9:13                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-28  2:53                                                   ` Matt
2023-03-28 10:06                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-17 15:31                                                   ` Matt
2023-04-17 18:55                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-17 18:56                                                       ` Matt
2023-04-17 19:05                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-23  3:25       ` [SUGGESTION] ob-shell async result output should not contains shell prompt Christopher M. Miles
2023-03-23  4:21         ` Matt
2023-03-23 11:12           ` Christopher M. Miles
2023-03-23 16:23             ` Matt
2023-03-24 11:20               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-23 16:26             ` Remove "shell" as a supported Babel language within ob-shell.el (was Re: [SUGGESTION] ob-shell async result output should not contains shell prompt) Matt
2023-03-24  1:53               ` Remove "shell" as a supported Babel language within ob-shell.el Christopher M. Miles
2023-03-24 11:38               ` Remove "shell" as a supported Babel language within ob-shell.el (was Re: [SUGGESTION] ob-shell async result output should not contains shell prompt) Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-25  5:47                 ` Samuel Wales
2023-03-25 18:07                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-28  2:33                 ` Matt
2023-02-11 20:56 ` [PATCH] Async evaluation in ob-shell jackkamm
2023-02-12 19:02   ` Matt
2023-02-13  3:16     ` Jack Kamm
2023-02-13 17:07       ` [BUG] shell sessions started outside of Babel broken Matt
2023-02-15  6:19         ` Jack Kamm
2023-02-16 12:53           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-19 15:04             ` Jack Kamm [this message]
2023-02-20 11:22               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-21  5:23                 ` Jack Kamm
2023-02-22 10:38                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-25 16:55               ` Jack Kamm
2023-03-25 16:59                 ` [PATCH] Fix externally started sessions with ob-python Jack Kamm
2023-02-13 20:11       ` [BUG] conda doesn't work in ob-shell sessions Matt
2023-02-15  6:21         ` Jack Kamm
2024-01-18 11:55           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-21 22:48             ` Jack Kamm
2024-01-22  3:42               ` Jack Kamm
2024-01-22 11:59                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-23  6:09                   ` Jack Kamm
2024-01-24 15:22                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-25 19:14                       ` Matt
2024-01-25 20:36                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-26  0:42                       ` Jack Kamm
2024-01-27 10:25                         ` Matt
2024-02-09 16:37                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-23 18:51               ` Suhail Singh

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