From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: sbaugh@catern.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: call-process should not block process filters from running Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 10:16:26 -0400 Message-ID: <87ttujoj7p.fsf@catern.com> References: <83cz1fvjef.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6qnpieb.fsf@gnu.org> <837criq321.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0pprhfd.fsf@catern.com> <87o7kts4ba.fsf@yahoo.com> <87lefwrif5.fsf@catern.com> <834jmkn7zt.fsf@gnu.org> <878rbwrb86.fsf@catern.com> <87pm58qpqb.fsf@yahoo.com> <877crfq24o.fsf@catern.com> <87wmzfn683.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:3klGlH8HcuQI7/b/IR7YO3pieFU= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 04 18:01:36 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qGiTA-00086H-FZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 18:01:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGiRo-0003ei-Fk; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 12:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGgpb-00077y-16 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 10:16:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGgpZ-0003uw-Hz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 10:16:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qGgpX-0008C2-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 16:16:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 12:00:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307424 Archived-At: Michael Albinus writes: > sbaugh@catern.com writes: > > Hi, > >> Also, it's worth noting that process-file makes doing that a little >> tricky. process-file already usually runs Lisp while waiting for the >> process when it's using a remote file name handler, but when it's >> running locally it just uses call-process. So users of process-file >> would need to be converted to start-file-process so that they're >> uniformly asynchronous. But, some TRAMP backends support process-file >> but not start-file-process. So it's not clear what a programmer should >> do if they want to synchronously run a process through a file name >> handler, and they're fine with Lisp running during that. (Making >> call-process optionally support running Lisp neatly solves this: >> process-file users can just bind call-process-run-lisp to t around >> process-file.) > > All of this sounds like a can of worms to Tramp. OMG. Please don't do > this change. There's multiple changes being discussed here. One of them is "change some users of process-file to use start-file-process instead". Surely you don't oppose that change, since it doesn't affect TRAMP internals at all.