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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master 72b1379f079: Increase `emacs-lisp-docstring-fill-column` to 72
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 18:02:52 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ttmplvar.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86frya3q4r.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 03 Feb 2024 10:31:48 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Please excuse me for being blunt, but this is a tempest in a teapot.
> To see why, please collect the statistics of the line length of our
> doc strings: you will see that we already have a lot of them that
> exceed even the new value of 72.  The reason is simple: it is very
> rare to fill doc strings using fill commands.  I, for one, almost
> never do that, instead "filling" them by hand to make each line, and
> the doc string in general, read reasonably.

I only do so when the filling commands fail to produce properly
formatted messages, such as when a table or long symbols are present
which the filling commands wrap pedantically for being only 1 or two
characters past the fill column.

> So I think this setting should affect almost no one, and making a
> showcase out of this change just misses the entire point of the
> "December's debacle".  We have more important stuff to discuss than
> this insignificant detail.

Before responding, I tried to measure the impact of this change by
running:

  (mapatoms (lambda (atom)
	    (when (functionp atom)
	      (and (documentation atom)
		   (insert (documentation atom) "\n")))))

in a buffer, with the fill column set to 72, and typing C-x h M-q.  Upon
restoring the fill column to 64 and enabling the fill column indicator,
the number of lines and words beyond it increased visibly.  So this is
not so insignificant a detail.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-03 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20240202123506.0CEC7C0EFF5@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2024-02-02 14:02   ` master 72b1379f079: Increase `emacs-lisp-docstring-fill-column` to 72 Po Lu
2024-02-02 14:23     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-02-03  3:00       ` Po Lu
2024-02-03  3:09         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  7:43           ` Po Lu
2024-02-03  8:02             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  8:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03  9:45               ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 10:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03  9:48               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 11:57                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 12:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 12:37                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  8:04         ` Adam Porter
2024-02-03  8:25           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  9:36           ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 10:06             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 10:28             ` Adam Porter
2024-02-03 10:45               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:04               ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 11:17                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:45                 ` Adam Porter
2024-02-03 12:34                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04  4:44                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-04  5:17                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-07  3:12                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-03 11:13               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 13:43               ` Eric S Fraga
2024-02-03 21:56             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-02-03  8:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 10:02           ` Po Lu [this message]
2024-02-03 10:16             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-03 11:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 12:12               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 21:47         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-02-03 23:14           ` Po Lu
2024-02-04  1:28             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04  1:25           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02 14:35     ` Emanuel Berg

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