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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: Improving EQ
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:42:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ttb9xjvb.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h679kftn.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet via's message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2024 22:37:04 +0000")

Pip Cet via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
writes:

> I looked at the "new" code generated for our EQ macro, and decided that
> a fix was in order.  I'm therefore sending a first proposal to explain
> what I think should be done, and some numbers.
>
> This patch:
> * moves the "slow path" of EQ into a NO_INLINE function
> * exits early if the arguments to EQ are actually BASE_EQ
> * returns quickly (after a single memory access which cannot be avoided
> until we fix our tagging scheme to distinguish exotic objects from
> ordinary ones) when symbols_with_pos_enabled isn't true.
>
> The effect on the code size of the stripped emacs binary is small, but
> significant: 8906336 bytes instead of 8955488 bytes on this machine.
> (The effect on the code size of the emacs binary with debugging
> information is much larger, reducing it from 32182000 bytes to 31125832
> bytes on this system.)  There is no effect on the size of the .pdmp
> file, which is expected.
>
> What's missing here is a benchmark, but unless there's a really nasty
> surprise when that happens, I'm quite confident that we can improve the
> code here.

I've seen too many cases where *removing* instructions (mind you,
literally removing, not changing!) made the code significantly slower.

Modern CPUs are insanely complex and combined with compilers make
intuition-based predictions even more futile.

But reading your message makes me wonder if EQ and some other "simple"
fundamental functions are not lowered by nativecomp? If not, maybe
that's a significant opportunity for improvement.

As for your patch, one thing that would be easy to do and might save
quite a lot of head scratching is to count the fraction of the calls to
EQ that benefit from the fast path on a "representative" Emacs run. Then
you would have hard data to decide if fighting the compiler/CPU on that
case is a worthy cause.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-12 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-11 22:37 Improving EQ Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12  6:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12  8:23   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12  8:36   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12  9:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12  9:35     ` Visuwesh
2024-12-12 10:40     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 17:46       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 19:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12 10:53     ` New "make benchmark" target Stefan Kangas
2024-12-12 10:59       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 16:53         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-13  0:49           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-13  7:37             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-14 12:00               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-14 14:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-14 11:34             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-14 11:58               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-14 20:07                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-14 20:20                   ` João Távora
2024-12-15  0:57                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-22 16:04                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-15  0:58                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-12 10:42 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2024-12-12 10:50   ` Improving EQ Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 11:21     ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-13 12:24       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 17:05     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 18:10     ` John ff

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