From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Initial splash screen Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87sl8j6114.fsf@escher.local.home> References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <467AF6CC.2000300@gnu.org> <86ejk4jtno.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87ir9g70eo.fsf_-_@escher.local.home> <86ir9gi5a2.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87645g6ph5.fsf@escher.local.home> <85tzszda4m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182554022 30279 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2007 23:13:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 23 01:13:40 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1sJt-0003wG-K6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:13:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1sJs-0004EX-VZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1sJp-0004Dj-6U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1sJo-0004DL-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1sJo-0004DG-J4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1sJn-0000lf-CU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1sHG-0002Ow-8L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:10:54 +0200 Original-Received: from i577bd24f.versanet.de ([87.123.210.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:10:54 +0200 Original-Received: from Stephen.Berman by i577bd24f.versanet.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:10:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: i577bd24f.versanet.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73676 Archived-At: On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:29 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > Stephen Berman writes: > >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:01 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> and starting Emacs without a filename gives >>> us a frame where nothing useful can be displayed yet. >> >> Well, that's what being debated in the thread I forked off of; many >> people do find an initial *scratch* buffer useful. > > The initial *scratch* buffer is useful for _writing_ (which will > obliterate the splash screen just fine). An initial _file_ buffer in > contrast, is supposed to be useful for _reading_, and one can't start > reading as long as the splash screen is blocking the reading. Well, it does go away automatically. Anyway, that's what inhibit-splash-screen is for (in the current design, i.e., notwithstanding the reservations you express below). All my suggestion adds is the opportunity to immediately set the inhibition for future invocations. >>> So there is no point in not showing the splash screen indefinitely >>> if we are called without file name. >> >> If by `indefinitely' you mean upon every invocation, again, the >> point is the same as the reason for having inhibit-splash-screen, >> whose effect is not constrained to starting Emacs with a file name. > > Which is a mistake in my book: people have reported the habit of just > starting another Emacs without file name if they find themselves in > want of reading up on the splash screen. Having inhibit-splash-screen > not able to discriminate between the with-file and without-file > invocation takes away this expedience. Emacs 22 does away with the need for such expedience; the user just has to learn to do Help->About Emacs. >>> But _with_ a file name, the situation is different, and we should >>> cater for it differently. >> >> I don't see such a difference: the information in the splash screen >> should be learned even if a user always starts Emacs with a file >> name (and once the information is learned, the splash screen need >> not appear any more, even if you start Emacs without a file name). > > You are assuming a perfect memory. I don't think I'm assuming any more than what inhibit-splash-screen assumes. And again, now there's always Help->About Emacs. Steve Berman