From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:45:11 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87sl7ebwtk.fsf@jurta.org> References: <871wf5cv6y.fsf@jurta.org> <7dbe73ed0707190725l426d0731u5f9c36cd14278f78@mail.gmail.com> <87k5st7iqt.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185228678 2258 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2007 22:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 00:11:16 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ID67Q-0001cW-Kz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:11:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID67Q-00058V-BY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:11:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ID67M-000562-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ID67L-00055l-J3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:11:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID67L-00055b-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:11:03 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ID67J-0002r2-Mz; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ID67G-000N5p-BJ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:10:59 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon\, 23 Jul 2007 00\:28\:50 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 1118cf21f7425d415ed61e91afc5cb63 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1274 [July 23 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 0 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75412 Archived-At: > This requires some related modifications: the startup > screen should be static because when the user want to clink on a link, it > shouldn't disappear just before clicking on it when it happens to be at > the same time as to show the next splash screen. This would be annoying. > > I agree. However, part of the reason why there are two fancy splash > screens is to present more information than will fit comfortably in > one. If we don't use the current solution (switching between two > splash screens), we need another solution. With the patch it displays both screens on one. The second screen was just 4 additional lines, so information fits perfectly on one screen. > Another necessary change is to allow point movements commands in the > startup splash screen to be able to move point to the link and type RET to > activate it. Currently, any key causes the splash screen to exit, and this > key is applied to the underlying buffer. > > Obviously part of this change is that that won't happen any more. OK, so this is a good change. > The following patch adds a keymap common to the startup splash screen and > the About screen with keys `q' and SPC to quit from them. > > I don't understand -- what does it mean to "quit" from the splash > screen? "quit" means to kill the buffer with the splash screen. > This patch doesn't contain more necessary changes because including them > in one patch would create a mess. A separate patch later will add more > links to the startup screen and to normal-splash-screen, revert changes to > save *scratch* buffer, and add a new option `visit-on-startup'. > > In this one case, I think we want to see all the patches put together. > The reason is that I am not ready, now, to decide to take this route. > I might choose it once I see it in its mature form. > > In other words, it is needful to develop the mature form and present > the combined patch. I'll present the combined patch after an agreement on a new customizable option. Is it OK to add `visit-on-startup'? Should it obsolete `inhibit-splash-screen'? -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/