From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Online help and help-for-help improvements Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:04:59 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87skzcvnt0.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87myplmgn8.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204232843 7222 80.91.229.12 (28 Feb 2008 21:07:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 28 22:07:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JUpye-0000w8-AY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:07:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JUpy8-00021m-0V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:07:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JUpy4-00021K-1r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:07:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JUpy2-0001zS-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:07:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JUpy2-0001zN-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JUpy2-0006iv-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JUpxy-000OTc-Ff; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:06:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87myplmgn8.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:04:11 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: b3971b7ac160fe45482707327a257f38 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2342 [Feb 28 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90778 Archived-At: > Here is a patch which improves the online help in the > following ways: > > - the output from C-h C-h is much easier to read and use. Yes, it is much easier to read now. It removes command names (not useful for users who read this help page), but maybe we could put these command names on the `help-echo' property over the help key letters? Also using the verb `Display' at the beginning of every line seems too superfluous, i.e. instead of C-a Display information about Emacs. C-c Display Emacs copying permission (GNU General Public License). C-d Display instructions for debugging GNU Emacs. C-e Display external packages and information about Emacs. C-f Display the Emacs FAQ. C-m Display how to order printed Emacs manuals. C-n Display news of recent Emacs changes. C-o Display Emacs ordering and distribution information. C-p Display info about Emacs problems. C-t Display the Emacs TODO list. C-w Display information on absence of warranty for GNU Emacs." can we have something like C-a Information about Emacs. C-c Emacs copying permission (GNU General Public License). C-d Instructions for debugging GNU Emacs. C-e External packages and information about Emacs. C-f Emacs FAQ. C-m How to order printed Emacs manuals. C-n News of recent Emacs changes. C-o Emacs ordering and distribution information. C-p Info about Emacs problems. C-t Emacs TODO list. C-w Information on absence of warranty for GNU Emacs." > * startup.el (startup-echo-area-message): Check for about-emacs. Could you please fix this also in the Emacs 22 branch? -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/