From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lost antialias? Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <87skv7d6sa.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <485230EB.9070203@alice.it> <48546807.8010406@alice.it> <87abhmgmko.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87abhkndo9.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214004877 12075 80.91.229.12 (20 Jun 2008 23:34:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: angelo.graziosi@alice.it, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kenichi Handa Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 21 01:35:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K9q8W-0004Oh-4z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:35:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33657 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K9q7h-00013I-8O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:34:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K9q7b-00012Y-I6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:34:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K9q7b-000125-4A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:34:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53568 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K9q7a-000121-Sl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:34:22 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]:59294) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K9q7a-0007N0-RQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:34:22 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 64DC64E47D; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:29:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:03:11 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99565 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> Is there any reason to have x,xft by default, instead of xft,x? >>> Backward compatibility. > >> Will re-ordering the font backends fix the other problem we discussed, >> which is that the `fixed-pitch' and `variable-pitch' faces are >> non-fontconfig fonts? We need to solve this problem, because it looks >> bad if Emacs acquires Fontconfig font support but the startup screen >> doesn't use those fonts. > >> Re-ordering the font-backends in .emacs does not solve the problem. > >> Should we simply abolish the use of `fixed-pitch' and `variable-pitch'? > > I think this would not be an appropriate solution. It's more akin to > hiding the problem than to solving it. Even more so since users's > .emacs as well as external package may make use of those faces. How about treating "Helv" and "Courier" specially in ffont_resolve_generic_family, similar to "Sans" and "Mono"?