From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?utf-8?b?w6c=?= and =?utf-8?b?xZM=?= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:24:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87skqgwxns.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ljwa6zjj.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87bpx65fjj.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87hc6w7v9j.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871vy0yi9a.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225207491 29569 80.91.229.12 (28 Oct 2008 15:24:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uwe Brauer , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 28 16:25:52 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KuqRp-0002Kx-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:25:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53610 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KuqQj-0007zc-OG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KuqQf-0007zD-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KuqQd-0007yn-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48801 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KuqQd-0007yk-59 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:19 -0400 Original-Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com ([216.239.58.185]:48129) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KuqQc-0006P3-H6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:18 -0400 Original-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i36so374176gve.17 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7NlYYj3st0PLiA1xq9TK/kt/tEPiRo7PWEOc/Euo+ZA=; b=jRxHDd1IeFAutwcqcWz5LiLzgezL2x1kYuXDPPNi1vA38p6P10EpXtUPSFfDwsD1l1 0pni73IFvuS8iXfMe4+nyn+njpzFw8MdAL81iXuxiyeGz1Nx2cz+l66SZvW+nZO9XYjk XOHfr6D1AhumwbrQWbcgNAWHmfbh1LT3T6nmU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pW2Qx3lLuD2mpQQprgTiVwYsbPI3ZQ6m/DE0M1JdNFI3cJtEb/WRTdm/iBmbilMxeZ Tg8rdmLQ+w5VHvi0aHPIb5Y4y1lQXDsFZ7aI66PKMBrPxXLDFE+c/Bk6YLRWyS8ChFP+ njL+o3jSKBDg8S7L1CzY7Fg9j/JunNXsML9DY= Original-Received: by 10.103.229.19 with SMTP id g19mr3470444mur.19.1225207455761; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (pdc35-1-82-242-132-111.fbx.proxad.net [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm2023698mue.15.2008.10.28.08.24.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue\, 28 Oct 2008 10\:27\:36 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105080 Archived-At: Hello Stefan, Stefan> Never heard of that one, so maybe the French Academy made such Stefan> a decision at some point, but it hasn't seen much use. Stefan> Especially since =C5=93 didn't even make it into latin-1 and was Stefan> hence "unavailable" for many years. Indeed, and this latin-1 story is rather sad. But I am not a linguist, so I doubles checked through the web and found two ressources that I think we can trust : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/=C5=92 http://www.druide.com/points_de_langue_15.html both saying =C5=93 is mandatory. Stefan> The "Robert" dictionary sorts "=C5=93" as if it were "oe", so it's Stefan> pretty close to equivalent. I often read text where =C5=93 is written oe, so it is a common mistake in french readings. Regards, --=20 Paul