From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes 2009-07-15/16 in branch? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <87skgetgm3.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> References: <4A692E0A.9060108@gnu.org> <633A5994-67EB-4A21-AD99-3359CB5D6D65@Princeton.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248963426 20798 80.91.229.12 (30 Jul 2009 14:17:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 30 16:16:59 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MWWRG-0001RT-DI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:16:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60748 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MWWRF-0005gh-Eq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:16:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MWWBR-00063m-Nz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:00:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MWWBL-0005za-9K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:00:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35017 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MWWBL-0005zW-4Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]:35741) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MWWBG-0005U7-8m; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:00:26 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3545D57E21C; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:01:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:53:46 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113398 Archived-At: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu writes: > Maintainers, shouldn't you explain why you released Emacs 23.1 without > removing the Cocoa-only background transparent feature? > > I've explained reasons why it should be removed in so many aspects. > But I've never heard of logical reasons from you. As I've explained before, it was too late to make drastic internals changes. I agreed to the removal of the user commands for setting the alpha channel---a "removal", I might add, that actually consisted of not reverting your unannounced, unagreed-upon changes to a release branch in heavy freeze---but your other changes to the ns*.m internals were too risky for the marginal "benefit" provided (that "benefit" being to make it slightly harder for users to set the alpha in an incompatible way). Now, I'm confident that someone of your intelligence will be able to find some persnickety arguments against this decision. But I've little inclination to engage in more such debate, so you'll unfortunately have to live with it.