From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:07:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87skctklaz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: A824EDEE30914138A68236FA21190C56@editkapc
"grischka" <grishka@gmx.de> writes:
> Seen that nowadays the gui-dyslexics
Could you look up complex words in the dictionary before you use them?
It might help to make your postings less inflammatory.
> tend to become a more rare species
dyslexia is not coupled to species.
> and the generation simply tends to loose the ability to understand
While you have the dictionary at hand, look up "loose".
> that a non-linear, moreover non-contiguous
And "contiguous".
> and even non-complementary
And "complementary".
> geometrical relation between scrollbar and scrollable content can be
> anything else than an accumulation of design flaws.
The "design flaw" is that Emacs has a variable line height. An editor
is primarily supposed to deal with lines of text, not with continuous
graphical panes. And previous to Emacs 21, Emacs only dealt with lines
of text of constant height. Previous to Emacs 19, the lines
corresponded 1:1 to the screen lines.
None of those bear any relation to the fact that an editor can show
areas that are not part of the content (most trivially for an empty
file), and that should reflect on the scrollbar appearance. A web
browser will just remove the scrollbar altogether. But that is just
feasible for static content, and when the changing of the layout when a
scrollbar is added and removed is not disconcerting.
Also, defining some model of correctness and then adhering to it needs
to take interactive responsiveness into consideration. The typical web
document does not contain millions of lines, but Emacs must be able to
deal with navigating and changing stuff in documents of that size.
Anyway: if you want to achieve something, chances are that choosing a
manner of correspondence that sports a less condescending appearance
might be beneficial. Chances are that people working decades in a
particular area of expertise have all that time just been missing the
advice of a complete newcomer.
And if you are convinced of the opposite, common sense should tell you
that such a severe case should need rather more than less diplomacy to
deal with.
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-05 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03 0:48 ` grischka
2009-11-03 9:27 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04 0:09 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04 9:51 ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18 ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29 ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 1:18 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05 9:23 ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16 ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-05 15:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2009-11-05 23:55 ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-06 0:31 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06 3:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06 4:37 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06 8:42 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 0:32 ` grischka
2009-11-03 1:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 5:37 ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10 ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02 ` joakim
2009-11-05 9:21 ` Jan D.
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-07 11:50 grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-07 17:47 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31 6:09 ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 20:38 ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01 3:11 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02 6:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02 7:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10 ` Stefan Monnier
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