From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Use Core Text for Cocoa Emacs Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:05:17 +0800 Message-ID: <87sk5kifgy.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> References: <94E6FF46-4227-4DA2-BE35-C64908558378@gmail.com> <18325.1274214480@ccs.covici.com> <24612.1274240176@ccs.covici.com> <6FB96086-3851-4AAB-BA98-4D4C7ED94F7D@mit.edu> <9342.1274324397@ccs.covici.com> <4BF4CF6E.4040105@gnu.org> <11778.1274337231@ccs.covici.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274511976 22542 80.91.229.12 (22 May 2010 07:06:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 07:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 22 09:06:12 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFimh-0004fg-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 09:06:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57857 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFimg-0008Ip-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 03:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42045 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFimQ-0008IS-KY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 03:06:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFimJ-00088G-1Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 03:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]:45596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFim8-00086K-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 03:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: by pvf33 with SMTP id 33so230354pvf.0 for ; Sat, 22 May 2010 00:05:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=tSY/o2Z1f2qzRI51nerslZKXAJMRwGNVAiTRRJbEYVQ=; b=Y35ZpgGExGnp/QBlb5UETtDdN2VhKuB1xFaBci46C4WzZinqjQPwZFmpvKWlxDt17x aERo2F6DqqOYmwjxDVnfRrsyFYJ0+J0Y5CcuvYpmKfd/wl/J/r/QpdiX5OheCDtwELSu ChMv0Od8l573JY17NP77ylqOQZWBnIUXrDUi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=w0HNTvwv0920FLTKUoIejxSo/vnpZLLPpeXpjY4rI7G8+Zu4lst1OIFsBM3KCM2565 2ubyrN1MvXrFgwboLGZ5YiSXDw+i5ssemp4D7ZEX9wIYb25hdZ2uwyqXGm9qpW8Dl4kW /uUUFHg+ZaAOsjlI/LT5yFlZEylUx5Yu4ly3Y= Original-Received: by 10.115.66.33 with SMTP id t33mr2226247wak.199.1274511929354; Sat, 22 May 2010 00:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([202.87.221.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c22sm15988168wam.6.2010.05.22.00.05.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 May 2010 00:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76213909; Sat, 22 May 2010 15:05:17 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: (Adrian Robert's message of "Sat, 22 May 2010 06:50:57 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125042 Archived-At: Adrian Robert writes: > ccs.covici.com> writes: > >> Microsoft Word is complete inaccessible on the mac, >> Microsoft won't conform and Apple says heck with you -- in other words. > > How is Apple saying "heck with you" here? Because any system that requires special effort on the part of developers to make applications accessible will not get many accessible applications made for it. Other systems' accessible applications may be inferior in some way due to the fact they don't have these special APIs, but since no effort is required by the application developers, the sheer volume of accessible applications outweighs that.