From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more modest proposal Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: <87sk3amcv6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <877hkv2hco.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iq4e593w.fsf@kanis.fr> <87lj9ayp2f.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4C493433.4010709@censorshipresearch.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279899589 28594 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 15:39:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 17:39:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKLf-00086R-7x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:39:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59170 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcKG8-0002io-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41082 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcKG3-0002ia-Qy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKG2-0007oG-FN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:55 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po23.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.117]:56300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKG2-0007nu-BI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:54 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014221.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po23.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6NFXnRW006387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:49 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B7A24C013; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:33:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4C493433.4010709@censorshipresearch.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:18:27 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127704 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > easy to tell users, "unlike most programs, Emacs does not use C-c, > C-x, and C-v for copy and paste: Emacs was old when these bindings > were new, and they're used for something very different in Emacs. But > Emacs *does* support using Control-Insert, Shift-Delete, and > Shift-Insert for copy, cut, and paste. So do most other programs; > learn to use these keys instead." This sounds vaguely plausible, but I don't think Control-Insert, Shift-Delete, and Shift-Insert are very well known at all, nor that people are going to be enthusiastic about switching to these slower keybindings. > Right now, pressing C-c by itself simply displays "C-c -"; C-x is > similar. Novice users would benefit if this message read something > like "C-c - " instead so that they > notice faster that C-c and C-x are very different in Emacs. Patch welcome. > (defun undo-or-suspend-emacs () > "Undo if we're in a windowing system, or suspend emacs if we're in a TTY" > (interactive) > (setq this-command (if window-system 'undo 'suspend-emacs)) > (call-interactively this-command)) This has the disadvantage that if users learn to rely on C-z to undo, they will be confused when they try to run Emacs in a terminal and find that the "undo key" suspends Emacs.