From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:15:59 +0800 Message-ID: <87sk2uv7qo.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lj8nsndb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19545.14451.62000.682223@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280927788 29148 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2010 13:16:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , "Stephen J. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128236 Archived-At: joakim@verona.se writes: > > I dont understand this. I normaly have menus disabled, but I enabled > them now to see. In the File menu I have an entry like: > > "Visit new file... C-x C-f" > > Isn't that a "keyboard accelerator"? I note that Firefox does the same > thing for this menu entry: > > "bookmarks/organize bookmarks ctrl+shif+o" The Bookmarks menu is not a good example, as it doesn't have accelerators, but if you look at the File menu in Firefox for example, you'll see that many of the commands in there have a letter underlined, in addition to the global keybinding that is printed to the right. Some people prefer navigating the menu with Alt-F N for New Window instead of Ctrl-N, as the underlined letter for each step is always visible (you have to open the File menu to see the Ctrl-N, by which time you have lost the advantage of the shorter key sequence). Although Emacs supports menu navigation with F10, you then have to use the arrow keys, which is cumbersome.