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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Christoph <cschol2112@googlemail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:29:04 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sk13wqxb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C961787.3090907@gmail.com>

Christoph writes:
 > On 9/18/2010 3:18 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
 > 
 > >> So I just switched off `transient-mark-mode', which is something
 > >> I suspect most Emacs old-timers will be more comfortable with.
 > >
 > > Here's one such old-timer.
 > Out of curiosity, from old-timer to new-timer, what advantages does
 > the traditional Emacs behavior over transient-mark-mode?

Mostly, it's traditional and old-timers are used to it.  It took me
close to a month to get used to the various differences, then I
decided I liked t-m-m (actually, zmacs-regions) better on than off.

More scientifically, if you have an active region, then you can have
"modal" behavior: deletion operations can (implicitly) act on the
region instead of on specific text units, insertion operations can
(implicitly) substitute new text for the region, and so on.  Without
active regions, you can't have this kind of modal behavior.

The two styles are *equally* powerful.  Some people like the modal,
DWIMmish, behavior better (it can be slightly more efficient in terms
of keystroke count), while others like the non-modal, DWIS ("do what I
say"), behavior better (it's better adapted to creating personal
idioms and using "muscle memory", I think).  Much of the taste
difference can be attributed to "what you are used to", of course, and
I think that the strongest reasons for preferring one to the other are
what you are used to as "traditional" for you.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-21  6:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-18  1:49 C-d deleting region considered harmful Miles Bader
2010-09-18  3:06 ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 14:53   ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18  8:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 15:00   ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 19:22   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-20 16:11     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18  9:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18  9:45   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-18 10:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 10:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 12:02         ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-18 15:26           ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 16:14           ` Christoph
2010-09-18 16:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 16:25               ` Christoph
2010-09-18 19:41                 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-18 19:45                   ` Christoph
2010-09-19 14:17                     ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-19 14:23                       ` Christoph
2010-09-19 14:46                         ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-19 21:02                           ` Christoph
2010-09-19 21:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-19 23:26                               ` Christoph
2010-09-20  6:52                                 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 21:39                             ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-19 23:39                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-09-19 23:46                               ` Christoph
2010-09-18 15:15       ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 14:21   ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 15:05   ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 16:04     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 18:44       ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 18:53         ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 19:11         ` Drew Adams
2010-09-20  0:16       ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-20  0:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-09-20  3:10           ` Drew Adams
2010-09-20 11:51             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-09-20  7:56           ` Bastien
2010-09-20 10:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-20 11:21               ` Bastien
2010-09-20 11:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-20 12:07                   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-20 12:35                     ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-20 12:37                       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-20 12:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-20 12:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-22  0:56             ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-22  5:11               ` Miles Bader
2010-09-23  0:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-20  1:24         ` Miles Bader
2010-09-21  0:56           ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-21  1:01             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-09-21  7:51               ` David Kastrup
2010-09-21  8:19                 ` PJ Weisberg
2010-09-21  1:30             ` Miles Bader
2010-09-21  1:47               ` Leo
2010-09-21  2:42                 ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 16:47     ` Christoph
2010-09-18 18:44       ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 18:50         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-18 19:13           ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 19:16             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-18 19:39               ` Drew Adams
2010-09-19  6:31               ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 11:07                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-19 11:23                   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-18 20:42             ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-18 20:22       ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-18 14:29 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 15:07   ` Bastien
2010-09-18 15:52 ` Christoph
2010-09-18 18:40   ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 18:47     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-18 19:09       ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 21:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-19 14:00         ` Christoph
2010-09-19 14:07           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-19 18:00             ` Chad Brown
2010-09-19 18:21               ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-19 18:24                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-19 20:06                   ` Should C-x C-x activate the region? [was: C-d deleting region considered harmful] Drew Adams
2010-09-19 20:37                     ` David Reitter
2010-09-21  0:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-20  1:21                   ` C-d deleting region considered harmful Miles Bader
2010-09-20  6:59                     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-20 13:43                       ` Drew Adams
2010-09-20 16:02                       ` Miles Bader
2010-09-20  7:12                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-20  7:20                       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-20 16:34                     ` Chad Brown
2010-09-20 22:09                       ` C-x C-x (was: C-d deleting region considered harmful) Stefan Monnier
2010-09-20 22:46                         ` Chad Brown
2010-09-21  0:17                         ` C-x C-x Chong Yidong
2010-09-21 20:52                           ` Johan Bockgård
2010-09-21  0:28                         ` C-x C-x (was: C-d deleting region considered harmful) Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-09-21  1:06                           ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-09-21  7:49                           ` C-x C-x David Kastrup
2010-09-21  9:22                             ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-09-21  9:40                               ` David Kastrup
2010-09-24 23:59                                 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-09-21  7:25                         ` C-x C-x (was: C-d deleting region considered harmful) Thierry Volpiatto
2010-09-21  1:03                       ` C-d deleting region considered harmful Miles Bader
2010-09-21 19:12                         ` Chad Brown
2010-09-19 18:59               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-19 19:14               ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-09-19 21:27               ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-19 14:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-19 21:11             ` Christoph
2010-09-21  6:29           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-09-21  8:04             ` David Kastrup
2010-09-21  8:23             ` Leo
2010-09-21  8:52               ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-21  9:20                 ` Leo
2010-09-21  9:56                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-18 20:23     ` Christoph
2010-09-19  6:28       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 12:40         ` Drew Adams
2010-09-19 13:38           ` Christoph
2010-09-19 14:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-19 19:18             ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 19:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-22  9:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-19 13:55       ` Sebastian Rose
2010-09-19 14:23         ` Christoph
2010-09-18 18:44   ` Drew Adams
2010-09-19  1:05 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-18 11:55 dhruva
2010-09-18 14:22 ` Miles Bader
2010-09-18 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 17:48 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-18 19:24   ` Drew Adams

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