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From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	raeburn@raeburn.org, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Should Emacs provide a uuid function?
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 11:09:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sjsnvrkr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy62gc55l.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 09 May 2011 11:38:08 -0300")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> (defun secure-random-bytes (n)
>>> (let ((file (cond
>>> ((file-exists-p "/dev/random")  "/dev/random")
>>> ((file-exists-p "/dev/urandom") "/dev/urandom")
>>> (t (error "Secure random device not available")))))
>
>> Feh.  Using platform-dependent interfaces in Lisp is not the Emacs
>> way, in my book.  How about a primitive which would read from
>> /dev/random or /dev/urandom if they are available, or use other
>> methods if they are not?
>
> FWIW, I don't think there's anything wrong with writing the
> platform-dependent code in Elisp rather than in C.  I generally prefer
> code to be written in Elisp when possible and when it's not introducing
> a performance problem.

I'm not sure we should introduce a separate function, though.  It makes
more sense to improve the existing `random' primitive, making it return
a random number (via /dev/random or /dev/urandom or GnuTLS) rather than
a pseudo-random number when possible.

We could add an optional arg to `random' that says that if no secure
random source is available, signal an error instead of falling back on
the old method.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-09 15:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-15  4:59 Should Emacs provide a uuid function? Leo
2011-04-24 20:43 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-25  3:37   ` Leo
2011-04-25  4:37     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-25  7:21       ` Ken Raeburn
2011-04-25  8:45         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-25  9:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-25 10:33             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-25 12:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-28 15:11           ` Ken Raeburn
2011-04-29  3:47             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-30  8:00               ` Ken Raeburn
2011-04-30 18:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-30 22:22                   ` Ken Raeburn
2011-05-01  9:06                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-30 13:32               ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-30 13:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-25 19:52         ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-28 15:11           ` Ken Raeburn
2011-05-09  6:29           ` Leo
2011-05-09  7:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 10:51               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-09 11:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 11:36                 ` Leo
2011-05-09 14:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-09 14:51                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 15:41                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-09 15:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 17:03                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-09 19:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 15:09                 ` Chong Yidong [this message]
2011-05-09 15:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 15:27                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-09 15:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-09 15:42                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-09 15:53                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-09 15:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-09 15:59                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-09 17:05                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-09 17:45                     ` joakim
2011-05-09 17:50                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-05-10 14:03                         ` Jason Rumney
2011-05-30 17:22                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-04-26 21:06 Ben Key
2011-04-26 21:16 Ben Key
2011-04-26 22:51 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-27  3:43   ` Leo

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