From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature change or bug - Emacs server Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:57:46 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87sjrd5iwl.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <4df63f95.a511440a.7545.ffffce92@mx.google.com> <878vt5645m.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o3tl2ig.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308013103 24120 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2011 00:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:58:23 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 02:58:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWHxQ-0008OF-K8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:58:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51328 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWHxP-0006La-Uc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51699) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWHx9-0006LK-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:58:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWHx8-0007Yg-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:57:59 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:39143) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWHx8-0007YZ-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWHx6-0008Hs-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:57:56 +0200 Original-Received: from c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.102.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:57:56 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:57:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-102-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:uwSDeKjkKhU9DvM8jjAulFkRVlc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140440 Archived-At: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:45:11 +0200 Antoine Levitt wrote: AL> It looks hard and bug-inducing to reimplement the network manager AL> applet. Do you know this for sure? It seems that the interface is entirely through D-BUS, which is not a hard protocol to support in ELisp. AL> In general, having menus (applications, places, system, network AL> manager, whatever) pop up from emacs looks like a good compromise, AL> as well as a good "compatibility mode". I'd really prefer to avoid such hacks, though they may work in the short term. They tend to make life very difficult over the long term. AL> I for one would be very happy to be rid of all that gnome nonsense and AL> just run emacs and a light fullscreen-oriented wm (that and some kind of AL> customizable bidirectional emacs <-> rest of the world notification AL> system are the only thing I really need, and I suspect many people as AL> well. For notifications, I currently use gnome-osd, which sucks less AL> than notify-osd, but not by far.) Ah, you're my notifications.el beta tester then :) Stay tuned. AL> One of the things preventing me from doing that (aside from AL> laziness, obviously) is the traybar (where apps can put their little AL> icons, and, on ubuntu, where system thingies (sound, network, etc.) AL> used to be, before they moved to some new fancy buggy framework). I asked about that and it's unlikely we can support it in Emacs. I don't consider that a great loss, though some may want it. Also note that on NS/Carbon/Cocoa and W32 this won't be available anyhow. I think there are standalone apps that can be the icon tray in X. AL> I used to file the "move away from gnome and reclaim control on my AL> desktop" in my "some day" mental TODO list, but ubuntu's plans of AL> ditching everything that's remotely usable anymore in the next release AL> might accelerate the process. Yeah, I'm really tired of the balkanization of the X desktop. It's as if everyone is simply racing to mimic the W32 and Mac OS X platforms, which is not a race worth winning. Ted