From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:43:02 +0000 Message-ID: <87sjik7uyh.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87y5se9o41.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328744592 15457 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 23:43:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , egnarts-ms , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 09 00:43:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RvHAM-0001P8-Jy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:43:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34212 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvHAM-0002Jx-5h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvHAJ-0002JU-FC for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:43:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvHAI-00054e-DC for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:42107 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvHAI-00053x-4V for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:43:06 -0500 Original-Received: from esperi.org.uk (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q18Nh28D009697; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:43:02 GMT Original-Received: (from nix@localhost) by esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q18Nh2QX006308; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:43:02 GMT Emacs: the answer to the world surplus of CPU cycles. In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:47 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-STAT_FI_X86_64_VIRTUAL-Metrics: spindle 1245; Body=5 Fuz1=5 Fuz2=5 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148384 Archived-At: On 8 Feb 2012, Stefan Monnier stated: >> Sure. One downside is that this means that the intricate code in >> bytecomp.el can't be removed (surely not until use of cl-clean, or >> whatever we call it, becomes second nature to elisp writers). > > It could be simplified, tho, to just deprecate the use of (require 'cl) > altogether in favor of the new names. Of course, this wouldn't be > convenient for packages that want to work on older Emacs and XEmacs > as well. XEmacs could easily hack up a package that defaliases the other way if it wanted to (or defaliases the same way). Not a problem. -- NULL && (void)