From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87sisl1cnc.fsf_-_@wanadoo.es> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjmtwqtv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mwitwmn5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wqhx5t6s.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390062287 31635 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2014 16:24:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 17:24:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4Yha-0000DY-72 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:24:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43403 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4YhZ-0004Jq-OV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:24:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43338) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4YhP-0004Iz-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:24:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4YhI-0003J4-Ki for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:24:43 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38607) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4YhI-0003It-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:24:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4YhG-0008Sq-Fx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:24:34 +0100 Original-Received: from 148.red-81-38-254.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.38.254.148]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:24:34 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 148.red-81-38-254.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:24:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.red-81-38-254.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pSh2HR5rADEYJT4Wr3o+WGkZqjI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168691 Archived-At: Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > No offence to the CUA/EVIL developers but don't these 2 modes get in > the way of Emacs mastery as David says. I can understand someone > asking for the vi . (dot command) functionality equivalent in Emacs > but why humour them with modes that are at cross purposes to Emacs > proficiency? After 12+ years of kosher Emacs use, some months ago I started to use Evil and my editing proficiency (not to mention my RSSI) improved noticeably. We all agree that not everything that Emacs does is the best for everybody. I'll go further and say that some Emacs things are quite bad. Default keybindings, for instance. [snip]