From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Adobe Brackets like" editing in emacs Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:07:54 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87siqc3a79.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87txav5jnz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d2hi5p6n.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wqfp4cck.fsf@lifelogs.com> <837g7o96mb.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395346040 30996 80.91.229.3 (20 Mar 2014 20:07:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:07:20 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 20 21:07:29 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WQjFP-0001NZ-9R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:07:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49045 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQjFO-0000wu-Jj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41351) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQjFG-0000rH-A8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQjFB-0001AU-5q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54875) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQjFA-0001AN-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:07:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WQjF8-0000vI-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:07:10 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:07:10 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:07:10 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 50 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8lf8XCG4Vyvh7Y3xxlkna9+jAwo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170660 Archived-At: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 18:28:44 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 02:23:55 -0400 >> EZ> I don't get it: switching between adjacent windows is a single EZ> keystroke away (bind it to a key, if you are annoyed by "C-x o"). >> >> I have, but looking in *two* places is a kind of context switch and >> clutters the display with more windows. EZ> How is another window different from having contents of another file EZ> inserted into the same window? The only difference is the mode line EZ> between them -- is that really such a big deal? David Kastrup explained it better than I could. >> I also use `last-buffer' a lot, but that's also a context switch. EZ> Nothing a simple minor mode couldn't handle. Please don't take any of my comments as feature requests. RMS asked for comments and I provided my thoughts and experience. I think it's especially important to look at Literate Programming and general text formatting for inspiration. I like the direction David Engster took with his quick hack. EZ> Look at this another way: someone suggests that we adopt a "cool EZ> feature" seen in another editor. That editor is for editing HTML EZ> (which is hardly the main focus of Emacs), and the specific feature we EZ> are discussing here is not the only one, maybe even not the most EZ> important one, in Brackets -- just look at the videos on their site. EZ> Suddenly we are all sure this will be seemingly cool for editing C/C++ EZ> etc., but still insist that the UI feature should look and feel the EZ> same, without even trying. Does this make a lot of sense? I agree with you that we shouldn't mimic things others have implemented, that's not traditionally where Emacs shines. I also think a way to see and edit information inline without the distraction of context-switching is clearly useful. See `eldoc-mode' for instance, and as others have mentioned, tooltips. Finally, I clearly remember the loooooong discussions about Eclipse perspectives. They clearly didn't fit Emacs' model, in the end, judging by the lack of interest. That IMO was a case of the featuritis chasimus that concerns you, and I certainly hope imitating Brackets is not another. Ted