From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ashton Kemerling Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as WM Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:04:08 -0600 Message-ID: <87siktp9x3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vbprtbp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87iolqr05k.wl%andres.ramirez@kipuamutay.com> <83mwb1dfmg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bnrha757.wl%andres.ramirez@kipuamutay.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408410296 7393 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2014 01:04:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 19 03:04:49 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XJXqy-0004yn-Jo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 03:04:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47123 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJXqx-0007NS-OP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:04:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJXqa-0007LR-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:04:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJXqQ-0007aw-P1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:04:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]:41980) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJXqQ-0007ak-Gm; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id rl12so299399iec.15 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:04:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Le6GmB72P6cbqfcmAu88DjJE3Ja1ZukNnHc1bNmhe8A=; b=f76wvJB9Y6wvoPtvH95zDUM48GrKCpcNuuNuJGiUNAZlLFfm638kGRwELA36XG8NOO npNzL8FkOxJ4BFDjUH7uw9KMfbYcF+pQTFAnWlduxtj/wuvuOKrkfRpoWuNH9Ti1bp2u bH69VcnbYKSHRKmxDom+UrjCv+wwEWsR7q5+kYdpDsx9qm8r7HlHFbUO1Q0ACl+2Tw+Z oMbgjeK5V1RobSF2Drj4cStF8xtdcZU4GYOcPvzd4B5v29pzVPY4RIkGPDufHMgsxyI2 x1wcNB3GAuNic+O/U62849VcH3XVaA8RwuF0M+jQ41nVXmQskjRNO7Nl7NVNvuhNqPyU E7RA== X-Received: by 10.42.67.133 with SMTP id t5mr5607458ici.62.1408410252737; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ashton-Aspire-5560 ([73.34.13.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y11sm50087584igp.14.2014.08.18.18.04.11 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:04:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:54:58 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173754 Archived-At: I think at this point Emacs is about as far from a WYSIWYG editor as you can get, and that is what attracts a fair amount of its users. Despite constant competitive pressure from prettier and more specialized editors like RubyMine, Eclipse, and similar; Emacs continues to survive due to the depth of its customizability and community. I guess its customizability means that there is nothing stopping anyone from making a WYSIWYG plugin, but I would be shocked if it got a lot of usage for two reasons: 1) A lot of the people choosing Emacs use it because it isn't WYSIWYG. 2) Most people who are a fan of WYSIWYG want a shallow learning curve with a shallow product. They aren't interested in dedicating lots of time to master a product that they might not use enough to justify it. But hey, I could be wrong. -- Ashton Kemerling